Ep.89 Flora Funga with KK

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Hello, Hello, everyone welcome back to another episode of reconnect with plant wisdom. It’s me, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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and this is a podcast episode that I have been really looking forward to, and I know you’re going to have so much fun with it, because I’m going to introduce you to the wonderful Kk. And Kk. Is someone

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who has a slight passion a little bit like my passion for plants. Hers is for plants and fungi. So we’re just going to take a nice deep dive into the world of fungi. We’re going to talk about the soil food web. We’re going to talk about different elements of different types of fungi. How do you grow them? Where do you grow them? Why do you grow them? Where do they grow? Who are they? You know the whole ins and outs of the entire world of fungi. So it was a really fun conversation, plus, you know.

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just Kk. Is just young and she’s filled with energy, and she really has a passion for this, and it comes through in the entire conversation, so I won’t hold you back any longer. I will just take you straight into episode 89. Flora and fungi.

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Welcome to reconnect with plant wisdom. I’m your host, Tigrilla Gardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach and the founder of the naturally conscious community.

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For over a decade I’ve been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy.

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working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of

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nourish your evolution.

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In this podcast I delve into ancient and modern knowledge, from biology to spirituality, about the wondrous ways of place.

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Together we’ll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships and live an authentic, impactful life. Okay, I

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have actually been looking forward to this for a while now, because we actually scheduled it. What? Like a month and something ago, and then had to reschedule. Yes, at least, yep.

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So my apologies I’ve been around, I can imagine. Well, you know, it’s a busy time, and you’re a busy woman, so we’re going to have some fun here because I am super excited for all of my audience to hear about you who you are and all the things that you’re passionate about. So kk, tell my audience who is Kk.

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yeah. So Kk, is a plant biologist, but also has a thirst for mycology. I really always have been into plants. And I’m also a host of a podcast as well. So I think that’s kind of how we got connected. I’ve been trying to do some more outreach kind of meet my like-minded people within the plant or mycology space. So

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I’ve been just kind of like looking out looking for some cool podcasts, some cool people. And that’s how I stumbled across you. So thank you for having me on the podcast today. But yeah, I honestly

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always have been in love with plants growing up. I would always venture to greenhouses with my mom. And you would you know those little succulent leaves that you’d have that you can just take home, and they grow into their own plants so spoiler, alert. If you want to grow your own plants, you can just take little succulents, succulents.

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I do that all the time, so don’t worry about it. I do that all the time. Where I’m like. Am I pronouncing this right? What language am I saying? And is it even the right word?

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Such a weird word? Succulents? So yeah, I would just take those home kind of grow things on my own climb trees I actually got yelled at as a young kid for picking all of my neighbor’s plants, because they just look so pretty. And my mom was like, Hey, you got to go back there. You got to apologize, and I was like, Oh, but I was just trying to give them to you. They’re so pretty.

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So yeah, I was just really into plants gardening. So my mom really taught me a lot of that going into college, though I kind of lost the passion for plants.

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I was always into science. So I was like, Hey, I’ll go to school for biochemistry, which, like. I don’t know why I thought that was good, but

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went one into that and realized at my college they had this amazing greenhouse, and for some reason I was like I need to get in there, no matter what it takes. I want to get in there. I want to see, because you could kind of like look in, but it was so humid that you couldn’t really understand what was happening. So it’s just kind of like one of those things that I wanted to do. I

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took a plant biology class at Mankato and fell in love with the Professor because he just

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educated on plants. And just

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I just fell down a rabbit hole on how plants worked. It just like became really easy to me.

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Everybody else was kind of struggling on like, you know what cells are, how plants work. And I was like, what are you guys talking about like this is just easy and just kind of clicked. And in that class. We got to do some research in the greenhouse. So you know, walking through those doors, and I was like, Oh, my gosh! It’s all green. It smells so pretty, so nice in here, so fresh and so that’s kind of where I re fell into the love of plants.

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I don’t know if you guys kind of talk about, you know, plants as drugs on on your podcast at all. But a lot of plants are kind of the the starting point to a lot of things, you know, like mushrooms. Honestly, ergot cannabis, you know other cacti peyote things like that. So I was like Whoa, that’s just so interesting how

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that works and how plants and like humans are connected. So that’s really what started me into the plant space. And then, of course.

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you. You find, like your random mushroom that you come across. And you’re like, what is this thing?

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So I actually found a amanita mascara, which is like the typical red and white toadstool that people talk about. And so I was on my grandparents yard, and I came across this huge mushroom, and I was. I got down on the ground, took some pictures with it, and I just like was very curious. So I’m a very curious person, and so forever learning is kind of what I’m into.

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So yeah, I was like, Wait, how do plants and mushrooms kind of go hand in hand, and a lot of people in the mycology space, and probably the plant space now knows who Paul Stamets is, and he wrote a book called Mycelium Running, and my mom knew how much I was. I loved book growing up books, anything learning, you know. I’d go to the

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I’d go to the Zoo, and I would take notes and make a book out of, like the animals that I like learned about. And so me and my sister would just make workbooks things like that. So she was like, Hey, here’s this cool book for your birthday.

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and I read through it. Loved it. And so that’s kind of what got me into mushrooms and just kind of learned how connected plants and fungi really are. And so that’s kind of what I really focused on in college was plants. And then I would always do presentations and like research on

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like soil science, because a lot of the topics were mostly just soil like you would just learn either plants. There was no mycology unit, you know, at my at my university, so I would settle with soil, and then kind of just do other research with like mold and things like that. My professors never really knew what I was talking about, because people didn’t know what mushrooms really like, you know.

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had a role in the soil, like, you know, 9 9 years ago, probably by now.

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So yeah, it was kind of cool that I was like, hey, I was educating my professors on the importance of fungi. And so, you know, I was just. I’d always try to ingrain like the plants and fungi aspect to things. So that’s what really got me into it, just being really curious and just wanting to understand it all. And you never will understand it all. And that’s what I think a lot of people love about the mycology. Space

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is there’s room to grow. There’s room to learn. Discover new species. Get a species named after you. Even. So, there’s a lot of things we don’t know. And I think that’s what

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molds us into those people.

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Yeah. And I think that what’s really interesting in these spaces is that only now

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are we thinking about? Because, you know, with the understanding of 2 different kingdoms, I mean, there’s still a lot of people who don’t even realize that we’re talking about, or, as I call them, kin homes like there are 2 separate kin homes or kingdoms of of the fungi and the flora, you know. And so therefore. But there’s this relationship, such a such a deep relationship that exists between all the world of fungi and all the world of plants that

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but and so the idea of having both of them, and flowing between the both of them, I think, can be really exciting. It reminds me of. In our book club we read entangled life, you know, with Sheldon Medrick, which, of course, you know, you got to love him. Everybody has to love him. He is. Yeah, there you go. It’s such a good book. It’s such a good book.

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It’s such a good book, because and I think that this is one of the questions that I had for you was one of the things that makes that book so much fun is the fact that you really feel his adventure, his

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his inquisitiveness, and how he dives down that rabbit hole, as you said, relating to fungi. But yet it’s almost like it’s a point of entry, because you can’t look at fungi and follow those mycelial threads without

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really thinking about everything else like you, said the soil, the plants and and and so many others.

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How do you feel like? What is your point of entry like? What is the part that you get most excited about in the physicality of your experiences with mushrooms.

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Yeah, I love the communication above and below the soil. That’s what really got me into it, just like learning people at my farmers market always ask about. Hey, do you guys grow morels? Do you guys grow, you know Chanterelles? And I say, that would be awesome to do. But there’s just so many factors

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playing that role in making those mushrooms. You have to go to that specific tree, that specific like combination of microbes or humidity temperature, like, there’s so many factors that play a role in growing those mushrooms that we haven’t really cracked the code on most of those types. The most that

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we really know is the wood loving species, the one that grows on trees. But if it has that symbiotic relationship with the trees. It’s really hard to get all of those factors right, like truffles, Chanterelles, porcini morels things like that.

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That’s really what got me into it

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like, what do they do underneath? Yeah. And how does it work? How do they communicate.

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I think, is a really big piece of this right? Because

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all of the what we’re discovering now. And I do this plant consciousness commentary on Fridays. And one of the things I love is to really get into the whole communication space, because our human understanding of communication is so limited. It’s like, Oh, words get mumbled, and it’s like you do realize we have so many other aspects and so many other ways, that we are both sending and receiving, like our body naturally puts out pheromones, and we take in different pheromones, and when you add, go into the plant world. And

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but there’s a whole other set of signatures, of of chemicals, of volatile organic compounds, of so many ocean aspects. Exactly. You’ve got to love them. And so

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how do you explain that to people? How do you bring that? I mean, do you? Even, I mean, I’m assuming with the podcast. You must be trying to, you know, help people understand.

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I mean from my perspective, it’s like, the more you understand about how all of these different, how can operate the easier it is for you to even understand that you are so much more than this physicality. You think that you are.

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Yes, and once you kind of start to dig into figuring out how things work, you end up getting more questions. It feels like you don’t really know what you don’t know. So yeah, a few years ago I was like, so who’s who’s communicating to? Who like are the plants like reaching out to the fungi to come to them? Or is it like a plant reaching out to them vice versa?

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So that’s kind of what I started with, and I think the results are that I think

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I don’t want to get this wrong, but I think it’s more of the plants because of the nutrients and what they can offer for the fungi. And so, yeah, plants kind of give off those vocs. But also I think there’s just like

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some sort of sounds or wavelengths that happen underneath the soil that are attracting different microbes, different, like, there’s not just fungi, which is a whole, another aspect. I covered this, a lot on my podcast is the soil food web like, it’s not just plants. It’s not just the mushrooms.

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It’s also, you know, like the little insects, the the little worms.

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all of these little microscopic organisms that we don’t even think about, and all of that kind of plays the role in all of that. And so, yeah, the plants like you were saying is a whole nother aspect, because even with, I think, they covered an entangled life of like.

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if a plant is being chewed upon, it actually sends off vocs to attract the pest to the insect that’s

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like chewing on the plant. I don’t know if that made sense at all. Yeah, it’s actually yeah. It sends out signals to attract those. And that’s just wild to me that it’s like mimicking what the pest would be to get rid of the pest that’s chewing on. And my one of my favorite plant facts is, the smell of fresh cut grass is actually the plants signaling for help that it’s

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being, you know, attacked. And so it’s letting the other blades know that it’s being eaten on.

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and then so then they can kind of

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move around their hormones and trying to like Ward off and like thicken their skin. In a way, it’s just so. It’s we just have so many things that we still don’t know. And there’s more to the mushroom space just because we’re like, we don’t even know how they actually like, move around things like that. We just

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there’s just so many questions. And I’m just so interested. So I’m glad that there’s people out there doing stuff like that. And even in the the root zone, like the rhizosphere, is like a whole aspect of where

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the mushrooms and the plants interact. So there’s some that are ecto.

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ecto, and endo. So some of the fungi grow within the roots, and then some kind of like encapsulate on the outside. So there’s more than just. You know, one type. There’s like multiple types of fungi that attach these plants. There’s just so many different factors. That’s just what amazes me. And all these types of symbiotic relationships help us better understand the fact that we ourselves

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are made up of relationships. Everything is relations. Even. You know the book that we’re currently we’re just finishing up in the Plant Wisdom Book Club. In the end. It’s called Ways of Being, by James Bridle. It’s an amazing book so ways of being ways of being by James Bridle and and one of the things that James Bridle gets to at the very end is the fact that it’s all relations, everything is about relationships, everything is about relationships.

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And I think that that studying and like the whole relationship between fungi and

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flora and and plants is helps us so

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expand so much our own understanding of relationships. Even more. Because, like you said, you have, you know, one relationship between one type of plant and one specific type of fungi. Then you have the multiple relationships where there’s different kind of fungi. Some fungi are Endo, and they’re going to connect in, and some are ecto, and they’re going to be out on the outside, and some are going to be passing information back and forth when some are just going to be siphoning out information. Some are just going to be bringing in information.

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and they’re bringing in different kinds of nutrients. And it’s a reminder that it does take an ecosystem. It does like you said you’re talking about soil, that food web. It is a web. We have to stop thinking of soil as this one

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thing that’s so not true soil is only is is in and of itself similar to our to our own bodies, even though we don’t see it is a conglomerate of things altogether. All these different kinds of being exactly. It’s a microbiome that together then creates this thing.

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and I think that all these relationships and the fact that some are parasitic, some are predacious. Some are going to be commensalisms, some are going to be, you know, mutualisms. They’re all these different pieces together.

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and it helps us understand that. Oh, wait a minute, that friend that’s been mooching off of me. Maybe that’s not a bad thing. Hold on. Let me analyze it, based on the relationship itself, and not just the fact that they were mooching off me. Maybe there’s a reason for it, and maybe I’m actually getting nourished in some weird way from that kind of mooching experience. So I think going across the species boundaries and going across the kingdom boundaries

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also expands us even further into all of this.

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Yes. Yep. I like to cover that on my podcast too, every time. It’s like, we’re all connected. Everything’s connected. So yeah, there’s there’s just so many relationships like you were saying so much like competition. But then, you know, some are working together. And it’s yeah. It’s

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it’s wild down there it is. It’s wild down there. And how do you find like today? Do you, because I believe you have a business connected to mushrooms, did I? And so what is it that? Exactly, you’re doing?

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Yeah. So I am kind of partnered with Zephyr Gills, Mushroom Farm. So that’s just here in Florida, and what I am

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technically doing is a lot of the outreach. I do help on the farm here and there. So we’ve been kind of trying to broaden our species. We grow our own mushrooms, so we have a few. It’s kind of like, you know, greenhouses, but for mushrooms, so it’s all humidity controlled, climate controlled. So we kind of are in charge of how these mushrooms can be grown.

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And since we’re in Florida we can’t really grow them outside all year round. In that case. So then we grow them inside, and that’s kind of how you can keep track of everything. So we are kind of expanding our species. So William Padilla Brown actually helped me get some shiitake cultures. So what you do is you’d kind of have a petri plate or an agar plate, and you’d take those cultures and then mix them

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to grain bags of what you’ve sterilized, and then you inoculate, and then there’s like a whole process from getting it to the little culture to fruiting and then harvesting them off. So what my main job is is kind of doing a lot of the outreach. I’m pretty good, you know, with the podcast and

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the owner is actually, very supportive of me and the podcast too. So he’s like, just come on like, venture onto on any of these markets, like talk about your podcast hopefully, you can get some subscribers like, he’s just so he just like, really

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is

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interested in me, succeeding with the podcast itself. So he’s been a huge huge help. And I’ve also been a good help to him, too. You know, if you’re a mushroom farmer, you’re not really that keen on technology and kind of like getting into your website making social media posts. So that’s kind of what I’ve been in charge of is getting to different markets, helping him out kind of educating. We’ve been doing a lot of presentations on the benefits of mushrooms and how to cook them.

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So a lot of our vending spot is education 1st like, why are these mushrooms even important? I’m sure you have to tell a lot of people. You know why plants are important and why you should kind of consume them on a daily basis. So I do a lot of that kind of

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connecting between, like, what are some of the ailments that some people are going through, and I’m sure that there’s a mushroom out there that can kind of help with that. So a huge topic right now is Lion’s mane. And so a lot of people have been

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actually coming up to our farmers market stand, and they’re asking us if we have lion’s mane. And it’s been just amazing within the last year, like the mushroom coffee’s been blowing up. Everybody’s really on their whole lion’s mane kick. So if you don’t know, it’s

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a lot of people are using it for like that mental clarity, the focus lowering risk of Adhd dementia, Alzheimer’s digestion, mood, boosting, nerve health like there’s so much you know mental things with lion’s mane that people are

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trying to ask for. So that’s kind of what our markets are about is educating. And then, of course we sell our fresh mushrooms that we grow. So it’s been really nice to kind of educate and get people on the bandwagon of, you know, taking your mushrooms every day.

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So I have. I have a strange question, which is, yes, please. So I live. So I’m I’m originally from South Florida, and I haven’t lived here in a long time, but I come visit regularly, and so in my mind, mushrooms

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don’t even come into the equation, you know. It’s too hot. And yeah, it is humid, but it’s still so freaking hot, and I don’t know why I’ve never thought about Florida as a place for wild mushrooms at all. It’s instead where I live, like the Fungaioli, as they’re called, which are the people who go out searching for mushrooms are very, very, very popular as soon as it rains.

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Everybody’s outside everybody and their mother, all these older gentlemen, and they’re like, you know, and these older women with their baskets. They’re going through all the areas of the woods around where I live and and they’re collecting up a lot of porcini. And we have a few other kinds of mushrooms like. There’s a lot of mushrooms where I am, so so

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are there wild mushrooms in Florida like? What are the wild mushrooms in Florida. Yes, there’s actually a lot of mushrooms in Florida. There’s a lot of Rusolas. There’s definitely Chanterelles is something that I see a lot of. We actually have some right in our mushroom farm area. The neighbor next door is so unfortunate because he just had so many chanterelles, and

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as a fence, and like dogs and chickens, and so we were like, Hey, can we like pick some of your chanterelles?

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And he was like, well.

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the dogs are a little vicious, but I’ll pick some for you. So it’s just fun we’re like, Hey, can you get that clump, that one? And so we could sell some of those, too. You know, it’s it’s a high ticketed mushroom. A lot of people actually are curious about morels if they grow in that area. And so, unfortunately, Morels only go to the border of Florida and Georgia. So they’re not in Florida specifically.

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but yeah, right on the border. So it’d be fun to find some of those? But yeah, I

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I’ve kind of had the same question that you had when I moved here, and I was like, is there? Is there a lot of mushrooms here, like, yeah, it’s it’s maybe too hot, but it is very humid. So mushrooms like cooler temperatures and humid. So a lot of the times. This is when the growing season starts in. Florida, as you probably know, is a lot of people are growing, you know their gardens now.

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But yeah, I’ve been starting to get more into the Mycological Society space here in Florida. So every month we actually meet up, I’ve collected some Reishi, the Rusolas. There’s definitely bolits everywhere. And then.

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yeah, Chantrelle. So those are like the main ones that I’ve

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found. But I haven’t done too much. Just because if you’re going. If you’re going into the woods, there’s a lot of swamp area. So it’s really wet. It’s a little too saturated. You got the saw palm, saw palm meadow. So you know, there’s risks of getting teared up by the plants. There’s gators now, so there’s definitely some things to kind of look into. But if you find your spots you’ll definitely find some.

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And what do you find or been like? What has changed in your life, you know, coming from a plant biologist background to then, you know, stepping deeper into this this world with the fungi, what has changed like for you? Is there one thing that you’re like. Oh, you know, this is something that the mushrooms, you know that, or that combination mushroom plants taught me.

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Hmm!

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So a story I like to talk about is, when I actually studied abroad in New Zealand, I was super into the the plant space. And this is when my mom decided to get me that mycelium running book, and what I

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wanted to do was, you know, go to New Zealand, check out some of these mushrooms, and I was like, Oh, this is like mushroom, you know, capital of the world, just because New Zealand’s an island. So you get so many different spores. That’s very diverse from other areas. Even, you know, Australia, things like that. So since it’s an island, it’s really awesome for different plant species, different fungi species.

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But I to get a credit to study abroad. I had to teach a class of some sorts. So what I wanted to do was, I just wanted to educate people on the importance of fungi, because I found that nobody really was interested in that or didn’t really know that that was like a whole topic. So by the end of the trip. I got so many people passionate about this topic just because they saw my passion with it, and I just found that really fulfilling, and gave me that full purpose of

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wow like, I can educate people, even if they don’t like mushrooms, even if they don’t know what mushrooms are, or that they have benefits. They still kind of got into it because I was passionate about it. And so that’s kind of what was like. The topic of my trip is I.

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We went out and collected some mushrooms, and just kind of like separated them into different categories, and just kind of showed them the diversity. And by, you know the end of the trip. Anytime we’d go on a hike in the bush. They’re like, Hey, Kk, you got to get up here. You got to check out this mushroom. We had some weird slime molds, some like big puffballs that I’ve never seen before. They’re purple puffballs.

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So if you like, you know, hit them. Purple smoke would just fly everywhere. And I was like, this is so cool, like mushrooms are so weird.

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So yeah, that was just really, that was something that I really learned is.

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I can also imagine that in some ways.

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you know, mushrooms really help. You understand the diversity of life, because I mean, we don’t even

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anywhere you go, especially if you go outdoors, and you go any kind of woodland like any kind of woodland. There’s always something growing. Yes, you know, teeny, tiny, and really big, and like you said puff balls, and, like, you know, spores like I love like moss. Oh, my goodness! Moss and lichen are my. I love my lichen especially. Yes, definitely a love language, especially because

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I mean, come on, it’s a three-way. It’s a like permanent three-way minimum. Minimum. You can’t have lichen without minimum, because sometimes you can have more. So, I mean, come on, it’s a party. They’re never alone. Lichen is always made up, and we call this this, you know trio of these fungi and algae.

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We call them some with a completely different name, because they’re so enmeshed in one another. They’re so connected, so intertwined, that it even took years before scientists were even able to discover the fact that there were, you know, different kinds of fungi and algae that were connected together in order to make a lichen. And so that’s

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and they’re so versatile, I mean, like in kin. You find them all over the place from the go into a parking lot, and they’re covering the, you know, the the parking meat things, and you have, you know, into a forest or on a rock, or on a piece of wood or on a tree. And it’s like this is this amazing variety, which is the same in some ways of mushrooms in the sense that they have. I have this.

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I have this thing in this dream. So where I live, we have this sacred woods temple, this external sacred woods temple. It’s really beautiful. And there’s so many things. And I keep trying to convince. So you know, we have these unusual names, and our names are animals or nature spirits as our 1st names and our second names are plants or fungi. And so Hobbit.

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I’ve been trying to convince Hobbit for the last few years who’s an amazing artist who lives in the Sacred Woods temple back when I used to live there, we lived in the same house in nucleo, as we call them, and hobbit. I’ve been trying to convince her to create statues made out of like wood.

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because I want them to get covered by, you know, like the porosity of the wood, and make it a very kind of like

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spongy wood that would soak up a lot of water. Don’t treat them at all, because what I want is for her to make some kind of really cool art piece that then gets covered between the lichen and the mushrooms, and probably some kind of plants, and I’m like it’s co-creation. Hobbit. It’s co-creation. I might convince my friend the friend that I’m staying at right now where I am is she has a food forest, and I’m like, maybe I’ll convince her to create something like that out here.

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Yes, absolutely. I mean, like the like air plants like you could have so many different things on there, and I also like it because it’s kind of like a peek into time like. It’s like a timeline, because you can kind of age something like, Oh, this has lichen on it. It’s it’s older. It’s like older than you know. 10 to whatever 50 years like it’s I don’t even know how long it takes. But it’s a really slow process. So yeah, it’s

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again, it’s just another. We have so many questions, and we know so little about lichen. And so that’s also why I’m really into it. It’s like something that, like I could kind of discover and make mine, and it’s very unique.

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Well, and lichen is also, you know, taking in. It’s it’s when you have a lot of lichen, you know, the air quality is really good. And so there’s so many different aspects of that. And I think that that’s really about this. So I have a. I love grass

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because I feel that grass is so ignored and undervalued in so many different ways. I think we think about like the lawn, and I don’t love the lawn. I love grasses, wild grasses kill the lawn exactly, and let whatever wants to grow, and I love everything that’s so close to the ground from that perspective. And I think that that’s where I started to

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kind of start a relationship with fungi, I have to admit, because I come from South Florida, and when I lived in Seattle, unfortunately, I didn’t have an opportunity to get into this world. I really wish I did. I have a little bit of a fear of. I don’t pick anything because where I live. Like, I said, there’s so many kinds of mushrooms, and I’m like I’m not even gonna

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try it. So I go out with my friends who are Fumgaioli, who know how to pick. I mean, I know how to pick Porcini because they’re big and they’re thick. And they’re, you know, kind of this yellowy white. I’m like, okay, that is obvious. You are a Porcini. I can pick you. And I know that that’s going to be delicious as well as like this relationship. But there’s all these other, you know, woody type like you, said Fungi, and I do think

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so because I don’t pick them, because I I don’t know enough.

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I like to just sit around and talk to them like I’m just gonna sit down. Here you are the fruiting body, which means there’s an entire world underneath me connected to you. So what are you guys doing out here like what’s going on?

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How did you decide to come up here?

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And why did you come up here and like what’s going on

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right? That’s kind of. That’s my way of doing things. Well, that’s fun.

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You gotta become the mushroom sometimes. Exactly. Exactly. And so it’s like I’m just going to sit here, and I’m going to try to understand. What is it like to pee the mushroom.

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or, like the fairy rings, are like a whole nother category of different types of mushrooms. So that’s like the shaggy mane or the inky cap. Honestly, the the death angel, I think, is one of those 2.

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There’s so many different categories of mushrooms. And so there’s a whole category on the fairy Ring mushrooms. So they grow outward. And so they make these like big fairy rings or circles, and that’s a whole. Another folklore thing that a lot of people, you know, lay in the middle of them during like a full moon. And you’re getting like cleansed. And there’s like a whole like portal, people would say.

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so that’s like a whole nother thing. But yeah, like becoming. The mushroom. Talking to them is, that’s a whole other thing. I mean, it makes sense right? Because you have, like you said underground. This whole. I just recently did an episode where I was talking about scototropism, which is, you know, we think of phototropism so plants that grow towards the light. But we don’t think of scototropism, which is the plants that are growing towards the dark.

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like big monstera plants, and such that grow towards the darkness because they’re looking to stabilize. And so they need that they need to stay in the darkness until they completely stabilize. And I think that in some ways mushrooms live inside of this sort of scototropic world where they’re underground. You know, the the whole mycelial networks are all kind of underground, and they’re having these explorations, and I think even there there’s a lot for us to learn, because we, as humans

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have of our of our senses, of the senses, we’re aware of the main 5 senses that we’re aware of our dominant sense is the sense of sight. It’s the vision. Yes, and so. But

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if you think about the idea of connecting like you said, be be the fungi, be the fungal threads. Be the hyphae right? Like we’re talking about complete darkness. And that’s really scary for us as humans. So I think that there’s a lot to be said about connecting and finding that connection. Of

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how do I 1st of all enjoy the darkness because the majority of their lives are underground. How do I become one with the darkness? With this experience how do I learn how to explore the darkness and find that nourishment and find those relationships in the darkness. And then when do I want to fruit to allow this come up?

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And so how do I experience that growing outwards into the world of you know that darkness. And so I’m really curious as to for you when you’re exploring, especially, you know, when you do have the opportunity to go out foraging, maybe, or finding areas that do this. How do you?

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How do you feel like you connect like, how do you? How do you find?

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Since you know, it’s not like they’re everywhere. Sometimes they’re few and far between.

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Yes, yeah. So to find mushrooms. Honestly, it’s it’s

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kind of what we were saying before, with all those factors that you’re looking at, like what trees are inhabiting these mushrooms. So, and this is where the plant and fungi space kind of flows together is because if you want to find a specific mushroom, you have to find that specific tree. And so you’re trying to look for those types of species. A lot of the ones that people cultivate are hardwood mushrooms. And so they’re hardwood trees. So a lot of oak

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or a lot of apple trees for like Morel sometimes, too. But yeah, oak is what a lot of people kind of look for. And that’s why I was like Florida would be great for mushrooms, because there’s tons of live oak everywhere. There’s tons of oak trees, so that’s kind of what a lot of people are looking for, especially like lion’s mane and things like that. And so

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yeah, kind of looking for that plant species looking for. Obviously, mushrooms after it rains. So that’s kind of you know, you’re kind of

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figuring out the temperature and the climate. And that’s when like Morels would come up. Is that only that little space around mother’s day is kind of when they come out for a few weeks to a month. So that’s you’re kind of looking for that season that does grow so like Porcini would be more of like the summer to fall months.

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Oysters are honestly, I think, year round, in a way like there’s even winter oysters that you can find. Lobster mushrooms are more of that fall time. So and then Morellis, the springtime black trumpet, more the summer fall. So yeah, you’re kind of looking for

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the timing. And then also, when it’s rained, I think they get triggered by

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a little cold, a little cooler snap, and then with wetness or after rain. So that’s kind of what you’re looking for as well as that specific plant

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interaction. But yeah, I think I wanted to cover before we moved on, of how much the mushroom is underneath, or you know, the fungus is underneath the ground. A lot of people think that you know, the mushroom is like the only organism or the part of the whole thing, but it’s honestly just the apple to an apple tree, and most of the organism is actually underneath the mycelium.

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That’s like what you’re saying.

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So some people might not know that. Or maybe no, it is. It’s 1 a refresher.

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Yeah, it’s super important, because I do think that that most people don’t know that the majority of what is, you know, the fungi world is all underground. And that’s those relationships underground. How important they are, and that, you know, it’s yeah, sure you might be seeing one species, but that that you’re seeing that fruit come up in that one species, but most likely

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there’s probably a lot of species underground that might not even ever fruit in a way that you might see or notice or interact with, because they could not be edible, or because maybe do it in a very small way, or maybe because they don’t at all, or they do it under, you know, really shady locations that you might not come across. And I do think it’s interesting that most people don’t realize just how much the Mycelio networks are underneath you.

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Yeah, I think in that book, mycelium running, if you take like, you know, one inch of soil like inch by inch or something. You get like 7 miles of mycelium, if you like. Put them together. So there’s so much that we, you know, don’t know, because we can’t see. But there’s so much more happening, you know, under

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under the eye, or, you know, without a naked eye and stuff like that right? Right? So I so your podcast tell, yes, what? Tell me, tell me about more like the name of the podcast. What it is that the podcast is mainly focused on. Tell me, tell me more. I want to know more. Yes.

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absolutely. So it’s called Flora, funga, podcast so we’re bridging the gap between plants, fungi and humans. So that’s kind of what my whole thing was about. And I started this, podcast I think 4 years ago. Now, it’s been 20, yeah, since 2020 in February. And so I really was interested in listening to podcasts. But there is no

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podcasts at the time that bridged or combined plants and fungi. There’s just, you know, houseplant podcasts or the Og, mushroom, podcast which would be mushroom hour welcome to mushroom hour, mushroom revival. So those are kind of like the top 2 that I can think of that a lot of people got a lot of their information from. But again, you can’t really have

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fungi without plants or plants without fungi. So to to me, it was just.

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I want a podcast to listen to that gets really nerdy into topics of both of these categories. And that was not a thing back then. And so I just decided to make my own flora, funga. Podcast and so I’m actually releasing an episode coming up on how I kind of created a podcast, and so that was just really interesting to me, that other people are, you know, interested in learning how that works.

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But yeah, so that’s really what got me into it per se. And my 1st 5 episodes. If you dare to go back to. Those are me honestly scripting my episodes, and I want to make it really broad for all of the audience to kind of get into it. So my 1st episode is like, what is a plant?

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And then I get into what is a fungus. So I get really down, down and nerdy really quickly of like, what even is this? And then you know, what’s the importance of these? And then what’s the importance of those interactions? So that I released those 5 episodes altogether, just to like, create something for people to kind of get involved in and kind of

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yeah encapsulate mostly everybody. If they were interested. And then people wanted to be on the podcast so I was like, Whoa, I can do like interviews. And then also I have like topics and questions that I’m interested in. So I might as well reach out to some of these people. And so I’ve actually was really interested in talking to a farm on sea beans, if you know what those are.

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And so I’m actually meeting with somebody next week on a sea bean farm in South Carolina. So I’m really excited to kind of do an in-person interview with that. So there’s been a lot of

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evolving with the podcast it was just me. And then it got to interviews. And then, now I do video editing. And now I’m doing in-person interviews. And now I’m going to different mushroom festivals to film for them. So that’s what I’ve been doing all last month is every weekend. I was actually in a different state, going to different mushroom festivals.

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So that was really fun to do, and I make different documentaries for them. Kind of showcase, you know, all of these beginning mushroom festivals. And so that’s what I’ve been kind of doing is educating people. And so that’s what Flora funga podcast is all about educating and bridging that gap between plants, fungi and humans.

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That’s so much fun. That’s awesome. I mean, I do think that that podcasts give us the opportunity to really explore in depth all these topics that we love and to meet all these amazing people that we can then have these conversations. One of my favorite podcasts and it is true that a lot of the plant podcasts are kind of hard or to find, or they’re just in this other world. One of my favorite is called in defense of plants. And I absolutely love indefensive plants, because I just love somebody who can be such a nerd and so geek out

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on everything to him that is like academic

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exploration of plants, and he just loves it so much. And I think that that’s that’s what we adore like. Why we do this, we do it because it gives us the opportunity to give people a different taste, a different way to look at the world. In our case. You know the the world that’s pretty much been feeding us that’s been taking care of us. That’s been nourishing us, because without fungi, we don’t have all of that rich soil that comes through, regardless of whether there’s a fruiting body that we can eat, there’s still so

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much other nourishment that comes for the entire ecosystem, and I think

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that when we remember, and we connect into that kind of mushroom part that that fungi part is to really remember about that ecosystem creator, that that nourisher, that that conduit that brings everything together and allows it to all flow in that perspective.

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And and it’s just so important. And we’ve we’ve lost it because so many of us because we have a lawn that covers it

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in so many places.

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So you have this lawn that doesn’t allow you to really get in there and have that connection and see, and not everybody lives in a place that has a woodland nearby, and they can see that kind of aspect. So I’m glad that there’s somebody like you that’s out there that’s bringing it to people and and having them, you know, showcasing it for them in so many different accessible ways. Yes, absolutely. And I wanted to shout out a few more people. That kind of been more about plant stuff. But then they’re like, Oh, wait!

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Fungi are part of the whole thing. So crime pays. But botany doesn’t is awesome. He he has a podcast but he also has it on Youtube. If you know who he is. But yeah, he talks about different plant species. He knows all of the Latin names to all of these plants.

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and then he realizes. You know how mushrooms are interweaved in that. So he’s been getting more into kind of the psychedelic mushrooms and kind of doing more in-person things of that nature, too. And so he just has a really fun, like crude kind of

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way of expressing plants. So he’s really fun, if you like. People that swear a lot and talk about plants. Crime pays. But botany doesn’t is a really really cool guy and then completely arbitrary. So yes.

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you gotta love Alex and Casey. They’re just so much fun. Yeah, they started their podcast right when I was. So we in the beginning, we actually swapped trailers. And so I’d love to have them on, too. They just seem really busy. And I’ve honestly

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lost track of listening to podcasts at the at the moment. So it’s just been like, I’ve been trying to keep up with, like all of these people making podcasts. So I recently looked. And I was like Whoa, there is a lot of like plant and fungi type of podcast nowadays, at least, you know a few episodes. So I’m glad that more people are understanding the importance of that. So? Yeah, it’s it’s been really fun to watch

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watch this space grow.

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Yeah, definitely. And and it is great because everybody has their own angle. You know I love that that completely arbitrary. It’s like, you know, one is an arborist andrologist, and the other one is a musician. And so you hear exploration from these both points of view, as opposed to somebody like, you know, in defensive plans where you have

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you know somebody who is, you know. Phd, and you know, plant biologists, there used to be a really fun one that they don’t. Unfortunately, they they no longer broadcast. That was called plants and pipettes, that I also really enjoyed. And it was super fun. They’re 2 molecular biologists.

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okay? And they had created a bunch of different segments on on different aspects of plants. You can still go back and listen to the old episodes, but they’re no longer what is it? Again? New ones, plants and pipettes?

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Oh, yes, yes, I did know. I listen to them, too. Okay, they don’t make any more. Yeah, they’re not. They’re not broadcasting anymore, I think, because you know, one of them has 2 kids and the other one got a different job. And it just kind of, you know, podcasting podcasting takes time. All of this stuff takes a lot of time. It’s a full time job.

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and I don’t know if people know how much work it goes into it. And that’s what I’ve been trying to do is turn my like 4 year hobby into a full time job. So that’s kind of, I think, before we were talking about, you know the future with the podcast a little bit. And so that’s kind of where nerdy jobs would come into play. And I think this would be a huge.

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You know, if you know the the show dirty jobs, it’s kind of where he goes around and tries out different, you know dirty jobs per se and see what it takes to partake in those. And that’s what I would like to do with nerdy jobs is kind of

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educate the youth or people what you can do with a plant biology degree mycology degree, you know, like environmental conservation degree. You can’t. You don’t just have to work in a lab. You don’t just have to

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make money by photography, but there’s so many other aspects that I think a lot of people don’t know about, and so I’d love to try out different jobs for a weekend, and just kind of give you like the Rawha. You know, juicy news on that, and just kind of educate people, and I think it’d be really fun. It would be, you know, more of like a comedy, but also education. And so that’s something that I’m looking forward to in the future. I’m actually writing my outline

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for that right now. And Zephyr Gill’s mushroom farm was like, Hey, it would be cool if you know you could totally use me as your like pilot episode. So it’d be, you know. What does it take to work in a mushroom farm like, what does that really look like? What are some of the obstacles pros cons

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things to look into? So so I’m excited for that

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nice. Well, tell tell everybody again, what is the name of the podcast your, podcast my, podcast is called Flora, funga, podcast

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and I am Kk, perfect.

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Perfect. And we will make sure that we add all of the information about your podcast and for you on in the show notes.

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I am just so grateful for this for the fact that we finally were able to meet up. And we’re able to do this. And I’m so excited about what you’re doing, because, like we said, every everything that gives people more exposure and the ability in a fun, because plants and fungi are fun, so gives them the opportunity fun with fungi. Exactly whatever gives people the opportunity to really connect, I think, is amazing, and I am so grateful for what you’re doing.

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Thank you. Thank you very much. Any last words you want to give anybody.

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Well, I release episodes every Wednesday, one week I do interviews and the other weeks. I do little bonus episodes where I kind of cover juicy news. So that’s kind of where I

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create a scientific paper into a digestible bit, where I kind of educate you on how to really read through these research papers in as little as a few seconds.

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How does she do it? That’s for you to find out. So yeah, let’s get down and nerdy with Kk and Flora Fungal podcast. So thank you for having me on so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. And everyone. Please go and check out her podcast. Check out everything will be in the show notes and thank you for also being here and for listening in for this episode.

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Wow! I am just so grateful to Kk. For that episode. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the episode. What did you think like? Share your experiences. Tell me what you thought. You can leave me a comment.

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You can come into the naturally conscious community you can reach out to me on any social media. I would just really love to hear your thoughts. And you’re also experience with fungi, I mean, was the stuff that we talked about. Something you already knew. Was it new? Are you just looking to start your relationship with fungi? I know it’s a

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completely different world, and therefore sometimes it’s hard for us to get into it or to understand. I know that I’m still relatively fearful, and I’m very cautious when I go, but at the same time, when I’m cautious on the whole, eating.

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fruiting body part, I am super excited about everything that is the underground mycelial networks and everything else that goes into it. So I want to hear what your thoughts on that as well. Is this something that you would like to hear more of? Do you want us to expand into other kin homes. And so let me know also remember to like and to subscribe, because all of these connections

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help expand our reach and help us really touch the people that are looking for this type of information, plus, if you need any help on your own evolutionary journey, you know where to find me. I’m here to help you any way I can. So that’s it. For this episode. Remember to resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance

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bye.

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I’m out bye.