Ep.117 Path of a Modern Mystic with Marko Petrović

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Hello, hello, hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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It’s me, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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This episode got me all choked up.

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You know how I talk often about this moment where words are not enough to truly capture, or better said, the words haven’t come in yet to truly capture the experience.

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And I think this was most of my conversation with Marko, because his path very much mirrors

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It’s kind of almost a silent version of, of aspects of my p-

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It was just so beautiful to see how Marko has embodied and lived through these principles, and there, there’s just so much I can say.

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And there’s no way for me to explain it well enough or better than Marko himself and his presence really transmits.

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I have to admit I wasn’t sure where our conversation would go and especially because his relationship, which is kind of what’s happening to mine, just transcends, uh, the idea of thinking of a single plant or a single being of nature.

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But to, as he puts it in his own words, really walking the mysteries of life.

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And so I know you’re going to absolutely love this episode just as much as I loved having this conversation with Marko, so I’m not even gonna, you know, try to put fancy words around it.

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I am just gonna present to you episode 117, The Path of a Mystic with Marko Petrovic.

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Welcome to Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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I’m your host, Tigrilla Gardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and the founder of the Naturally Conscious Community.

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For over a decade, I’ve been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.

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In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge from biology to spirituality about the wondrous ways of plants.

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Together, we’ll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.

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Marko, we were, we were just having this conversation 2 seconds ago.

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You’re super chill, so I have a feeling I’m gonna be, like, kind of like, you’re gonna bring me down into-

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what we’re gonna talk about.

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You’re gonna ground me today.

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So, so in your very relaxed, grounding way, can you tell everybody who is Marko?

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I’m assuming it’s Petrovic, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Marko Petrovic.

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Um, I guess one of the recent podcasts th- that I spoke on, the host referred to me as a modern mystic, and I can say that in a few words.

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That’s probably the most accurate way to express it.

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And within that I’d say modern mystic fused with an entrepreneur who looks to create businesses that, uh, do something good for the planet and for humanity as a whole.

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So, what that looked like for me was I took a spiritual sabbatical about 5 years ago and did a 9month vow of silence during which I planted the seed for this life that I now get to live, which is, uh, running my own econ business, authoring a couple of books, and running some retreats around sacred sites around the world.

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You’ve already touched on so many topics I wanna ask questions about, so I’m gonna start with the, with the word mystic, because I have to admit

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So in the last probably about s- 6 months, maybe, uh, maybe a little bit less, I, um, have been going back to my Kabbalistic roots in the work that I’ve

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In, in my own personal studies.

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Um, for lots of different reasons, Kabbalah has always been kind of my framework, but it, it flows in and out of my life, especially as a kind of education tool in different ways.

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And, um, and it’s just sort of come back in a really different way than I’ve ever worked with, you know, the tree of life and the Sephirot than I’ve ever done before.

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And this word mystic, this mystical, mystic, um, I’m working with somebody on the mystical relationship with the Hebrew letters and all these different pieces are coming in.

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And I’d love for you to define that word.

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Like, wha- what does being a mystic, what does it feel like?

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What does it look like?

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What is it for you?

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‘Cause I have my definition, but I, I just wanna kind of, like, explore that a little.

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Yeah, of course.

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Uh, well, my response is by no means a textbook definition.

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It’s mostly through direct experience, and I’d say a mystic is someone who, uh, recognizes that to live truthfully in connection with life is to live a life of humility where we’re in relationship to that which some people refer to as the great mystery of life.

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And that we recognize that, uh, no matter how much we learn, there’s so much more that we can learn.

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And a mystic to me is one who develops a relationship with that mystery of life,

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In a world that, uh, is so focused on knowing and having all the information, having all the data, for me the mystic is the one who abandons all of that.

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N- not for lack of usefulness, but f- through a very clear sense of awareness that, hey, there’s actually so much more that I don’t know.

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And to the degree that I engage myself with understanding the mystery of life is the, the, natural degree to which I can best express myself.

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Mm-hmm.I really like that.

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I like that way of, of putting it into kind of giving it a context about the great, you know, the great mystery of life.

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And I feel like life, I always qualify it, it’s like, excuse me, life with a capital L, right?

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Right.

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It’s not just life in the perspective of, “Oh, how I’m living my life,” but life as in

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In Biomimicry, we use this expression, uh, create the conditions conducive to life.

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And it’s- Mm-hmm.

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that, that kind of life, where, where life exists, where life flows, where life starts, where life ends, where, where life is much more than your life, but it is everything that is moving in and out in the, the greater web of life.

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And so the idea of, of exploring those mysteries, yeah, I totally, I totally see it.

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I totally see it.

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And, and I’m sure, and I’ll get into the, the whole silence thing in, in a minute because it connects to some, a practice that we have here in Damanhur, and even there, I’d love to break it down, but, you know, the mystic is about, and probably why the, the silence, is about that contemplation.

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It’s about a deep, deep connection to the natural world in order to not so much, uh, what’s the right word I’m looking for, process, n- you know, life, but more of experience it, and not in the doing sense, but, like, like, feel, it’s, it’s, I guess it’s a somatic feeling, and I think that that’s the really interesting part that, that comes with that mystical

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Mystical is, is a, is kinda less about talking and more about just being.

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Yeah, totally.

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I, I feel the, like, at least the way that I’ve come to relate to it is, uh, with 2 simple words that I call direct experience, right?

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So, it’s not so much about what I know or what I think or what I believe or any of the above, it’s being in direct experience with life.

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And for me, that path of a mystic is the path that’s less traveled, but oftentimes, when people hear those words, the path less traveled, they think that it’s a one-size-fits-all when it’s really not.

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And what I mean by that is, like, I mentioned my 9month period of silence.

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For a while, that was the path less traveled for me, but then after a while, it wasn’t anymore, ’cause it’s a path that I was very comfortable w- with.

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And so then the path less traveled actually became authoring my own book.

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And I feel like the mystic is the one who consistently engages with, uh, that felt sense of where the inspiration of life is calling to us and continues to engage with it and, and live with it.

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I really, really, really like that because it explains, it puts into very concise and easy-to-understand words a series of things that I’ve also experienced in my life, ’cause I’m, I am, in that similar way, always kind of, you know, looking to travel the road less traveled.

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But as you said- Mm-hmm.

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it’s not about less traveled by others.

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This isn’t about a competition or looking at it through the lens of someone else.

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It’s more of what is the road that I haven’t allowed myself, most likely, to experience- Yeah.

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and that could provide, you know, and you don’t even know if it can provide.

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That’s not the point of it.

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You don’t do it because you think, “Oh, I’m gonna learn from it.”

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You do it because you’ve never done it before and it’s a chance.

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When I moved to Damanhur, Damanhur has something called the Game of Life, and the Game of Life is one of the bodies of Damanhur, one of the 4 main bodies of Damanhur, and their entire kind of existence is around change.

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And a big part of that change is something we call Viaggio, or Journeys, the idea- Mm-hmm.

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that at any time, the Game of Life can call you and, you know, say to you, “Hey, are you ready?”

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And if you’re ready, if you feel up to it, they’ll tell you where to meet, and off you go on a journey.

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You don’t know how long you’re gonna be gone.

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You don’t know when you’re gonna be coming back.

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You don’t know what you’re gonna be doing.

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You know nothing.

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It’s kind of like this idea of the journey.

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And when I first arrived-

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and they would first call me to do the, to, the Viaggio, I would very rarely say yes.

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And, uh, and of course, nobody understood, and I’m like, you have to get, like, for me, I had been living kind of moving around from place to place nomadically almost for years before that.

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Yeah, sure, for a while I had a home base here and a home base there, but, you know, anytime a friend would call or somebody, something would kind of catch my attention, I’d pack up my stuff, and I’d just head off.

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The idea of having a weekly meeting or like a set time of something that I had to do and a schedule that had things- Mm-hmm.

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that I had to be at every single week or every month was terrifying, terrifying.

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So for me, staying home was like the road less traveled because I hadn’t done it in, in the context of many, many years by this point that I had been traveling and such.

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So like you said, the si- even the silence becomes the norm and therefore at that point, you’re not really learning from it anymore, you’re just doing it because it’s something you know how to do.

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Uh, uh, it’s a

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I feel like there’s an interesting piece there that you spoke to around this sense of being ready.

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Like how you mentioned when, when, uh, y- you get the invite for those, those journeys that the question would be like, “Are you ready?”

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And for me, there’s a, a clear awareness that we- we’re never truly ready.

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If we’re

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if one’s a devout mystic, then you’re dancing with the mystery of life.

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And to dance with the mystery of life is to say that I don’t know.

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And if I’m truly honest with myself in, uh, in not knowing, then how could I possibly ever be ready when I have no idea what I’m up for?

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And so for me- Mm-hmm.

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a nice reframe that I’ve enjoyed in my life that’s helped me out tremendously is less about readiness and more about w- willingness, and the question being one of- Yeah.

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am I willing?

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And that being a complete game changer in how I can move mountains in my life as a result of being willing and not even giving a s- uh, a second thought to the sense of readiness.

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I love that.

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I was, I was just

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As you were talking, as you started, that was the word that popped in my head.

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I was like, “Ah, ready is not the right word.

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Willing is the right word.”

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And then you said it, I was like, yes, confirmation right there, because it is true.

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It’s like, how do I build a life where I am willing to move, you know, to follow that flow, to really get into- Mm-hmm.

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the current and, and not even, even in the deep unknowing of such?

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And I, I do find that so

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That’s true freedom, right?

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When people talk to me about freedom is like having such and such money in the bank or having this or having that, and it’s, it’s not true, it’s false.

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Freedom is a feeling that you have from, from the fact that you’re, you trust in yourself and that you’re willing to follow that mystery wherever it may take you.

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Mm-hmm.

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I feel like that’s the truly liberating, you know, f- sensation that we, we really do want to get to.

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It’s

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And it comes from, I find, that it comes from a combination of know thy self, right?

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Your typical- Mm-hmm.

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very esoteric piece of I know who I am and I’m comfortable in my skin and therefore I know, you know, I know my abilities, I know who I am, and I, I trust in that.

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And then also, I know, like you, you mentioned it earlier, it’s that great awareness of the environment that is around me and the fact that how I interact and am part of that environment.

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And so the trust kind of goes both ways.

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It’s a within trust, I know me, and it’s a without trust that is I know my connection to what’s outside of me will always take me in the direction that I need to go.

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And so I’m willing to follow that flow because I am a part of nature and so as, you know, I move through this, I know that nature is, you know, there with me.

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We’re, we’re in this together.

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I’m always in a

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that safe space.

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And so I thi- I, I really do think that that’s kind of

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It’s, it’s hard to put it into words and I think that that’s the whole concept of mysticism.

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It’s about feeling it and, and really kind of letting it land, but it is that, that, that internal compass, I guess you might say, that guides you through things.

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Yeah.

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It could be said that it’s about dancing with the pieces that are slippery for the mind.

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Yeah, yeah.

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My favorite, my favorite part

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Like I’m a, I’m a ta- c- going, talking about the, the, road less traveled, as you can tell, I’m a talker.

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I love talking and I process things out loud.

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But I profoundly love and have fallen in love with the sensation of lost words.

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Like when my mind cannot catch up to what I know, I find that to be

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Like I’m getting emotional as I’m saying it, like my eyes are tearing up because to me, that is profound beauty in the sense of, you know, that expansive Kabbalistic sense of Tiferet beauty is I’m so in it that I don’t have to put words, I can just feel it and I can be it.

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And, and like you said, it is a dance.

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For me, it’s very much a dance.

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It’s very, it’s very much a, uh, movement, a flow, uh, a sensation through all this.

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And so I, I hiccup through words but that’s also my way of, of living it, of embodying

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How do you

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Like I guess I’m curious, you know, mysticism oftentimes is, is deeply connected to, to nature, to, to the natural world, to the relationship with other, with the more than human and with other kin.

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How does that piece fit into all this for you?

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Yeah, I mean, the more time I spend on the journey, the more I realize that, uh, n- like nature is the guide, and that across, across the world, like that’s been the case for each and every one of us.

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And so there’s this interesting theme when we speak about

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uh, you know, like connecting to one’s ancestors and what does that mean.

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And for a long time, I used to think that connecting to my ancestors was connecting to my bloodline,

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Those that came before me, th- that are of my blood or of, of my land, so to speak.

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But actually, the truest ancestor is, are the elements that we have.

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And, like, the truest ancestor to all of us is the mountains, because no matter which part of, part of the world we’re from, we all actually have the same ancestor, and it’s this Earth.

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And she was there, uh, before any one of us were, and she was the one that gave the original codes, the original transmissions to different mystery schools a- around the world.

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And the only difference and deviation in these mystery schools is that, like, the energy concentrates differently around the world, right?

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So that’s where their language came from. That’s where their poetry came from. That’s where their art came from and that’s where their knowing ways came

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But at its core, it’s all, it’s all the same in that, like, it’s, uh, the stones that have the memory.

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So for a period of time for me, it was like this deep sadness of, uh, being of Serbian origin and being from the Balkans in a land that’s been, you know, war-torn for thousands of years thanks to various empires, uh, and various attempts to conquer land.

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There was this sense of, like, the tradition being lost and the culture being lost.

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But as I went further along the journey, I realized that it’s not that it’s lost, it’s just been forgotten, and it’s been forgotten because on these lands, there’s been the influence of the Church for over 2,000 years,

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And when I look at some other nations, like in Australia wh- where they’re a lot more, uh, connected to, to the memory of their original ways, well, there’s only been 300 to 400 years of, uh, conquest, uh, i- in those attempts 0 on their land.

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So it’s a lot closer generationally.

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But regardless of how many years have passed, the exciting piece to me was that whoever’s ready to go sit on a mountain and spend some time connecting with the land can open up those channels of memory.

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And perhaps not in one lifetime, but the sense that I got was that I could start a really positive r- ripple effect with my life, uh, and my devotion.

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So for me, that piece around, uh, y- your question, like, really came down to understanding my re- relationship to, to the elements.

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And, you know, it’s, uh, a conversation of complexity as time goes on.

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And what I mean by that is sometimes I have these conversations with people and they go, “Oh, this sounds really complicated.”

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And th- there’s a really valuable nuance for me between having something be complicated and having something be complex, because when we look at the flower of life, for example, or the seed of life, that’s a pattern.

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It looks extremely complex, but it starts out as something really simple, w- which is just 4 strands, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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And I experience my connection to this whole mystic realm in very much the same.

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It’s like no matter how far I’ve gone along this journey with silence, with exploring space, with exploring fire, water, earth, air, like the teaching is that simple.

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You know?

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It’s in a glass of water, and it- it’s in the, the stones that are i- in my bones and it’s th- it’s in the stones on the earth that I walk on.

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And, um, yeah.

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So, so there’s a, a few thoughts for- Yeah.

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And, and there’s, it’s-

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my relationship to that.

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it’s so beautiful that as I, you know, continue on my own path and then especially doing this podcast and being able to have these conversations, these deep conversations with others, I love the kind of confirmations, the synchronicities, and the understandings and the ways that each of us are interpreting.

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They’re, we’re coming to the same place from very different directions.

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I, um- Mm-hmm.

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years ago was a research group here in where, um, we were all ex- exploring our connection to plants in very, very different ways.

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Like, I was working on imagination with one specific plant, another person was exploring a plant that was, you know, in a specific area land, and all these other different ways.

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One was working with, like, an avocado plant in a, you know, in a pot and, and had come from a supermarket.

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Like, it was really fascinating.

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But- and at first, you’re- you’re like listening to all these random stories as we would get together and, you know, share where we were and what we had tried and what we were doing.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then when it came time to put everything together into like our final kind of thesis for the year, it was amazing.

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We had all reached the same place.

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We had all come to this place of like unconditional love and wonder and beauty and these, these core, we couldn’t

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We, we, we ended up all kind of losing our words and ending up on these such, to a certain extent, clichéd words that we, you know, people use and throw out.

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And we, we were like, oh my goodness, we’re all in the same, like we have all gone so cl- down, like you said, that mystical experience ’cause each one was having with this one, you know, plant being that they had chosen to work with.

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And we all ended up i- after the silence, after the long periods of being there, after the

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You know, it wasn’t about doing, you know, these 17 steps.

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It was about just having these experiences with these plants and we all ended up in the same place.

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And I think that that’s such a beautiful confirmation that like the mountain has many different paths on it and each of us has to kind of find our way of connecting in and, and following, like you said, that, that, um, following tha- those mysteries to where they’re supposed to take us.

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And complexity is a b- is a b- I mean, we- it’s a, it’s a law of the universe from a Dominarian perspective in spiritual physics.

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It’s not about complicating things.

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Uh, as a matter of fact, you know, we all started off with, “Okay, I’m gonna do this with this plant, and I’m gonna do that, I’m gonna do that.”

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Mm-hmm.

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And little by little all of that would wash away, and it would wash away, and it was wash away.

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And it was just about intention and relation and openness and just, and being, that what we- what I call the plant, your plant-ness, which is your inner plant-ness is that being-ness, that presence.

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And when I am present, then everything else just sort of finds its place in it.

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So I really, really, really like that, how, how you, you know, y- you do bring it down to its core essence because it is just essence, that- that’s all it is.

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And, and, you know, as I hear you speak and as I can feel it, I can feel that, that, that, that this is coming from lived experience, not from like, oh, I didn’t read this in a textbook somewhere.

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Like, although you might have-

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but, I mean, just that’s not the point of it.

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How did you- Yeah.

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I- Um, ’cause I think a lot of

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead, please.

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No, I was just gonna dovetail off what you were mentioning, that you’ve touched on a few times of like entering that space where words don’t seem to feel the ex- the experience.

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And I feel like that’s a common place that many people can find themselves along the journey.

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And to me, that’s the state that I refer to as like being in touch with the poetry of life.

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It’s like the point where regular conversation dialog no longer makes sense and one is inspired by that divine grace and beauty of life, that they end up writing songs or poetry or art.

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And that, that state is actually our birthright and the state from which we’re naturally supposed to live.

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But it’s very much forgotten thanks to the structure and the society of the world that we live in.

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And it’s kind of the difference between the- these 2 frequencies that, uh, I was, uh, taught, which is 1320 and 1260.

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And the 1320 frequency is that frequency of where we’re constantly in a state of flow and there’s actually no, there’s no stop start, there’s no left right.

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Like we are in motion, in movement, and even if we’re completely standing still, there is still motion and movement all around us.

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And 1320, the reason it’s called that is because we have 13 articulations if we go down from our ankles, knees, hips, wrists, elbows, shoulders.

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And the 13th being this one here, the neck, and the point of expression, right, in how we relate to life thr- through our word, through our song.

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And then the 20 is actually the 20 digits that we have.

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That speaks about the way that we engage with life.

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So when we see like da Vinci’s 0 man standing like in the shape of a star, right, that’s the 1320 symbology right there, which is his

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Uh, like the way I interpret that imagery is that was his way of communicating to everyone to like switch on the faculties of the body and to s- to remove life from this theater of the mind and to actually bring it deeper into the body.

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Whereas the 1260 frequency is, um, chronological time, right?

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We have the 12 hours of the day, 12 hours of the night, and 60 minutes within each one of those.

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And that’s the stuff that g- it’s like just slightly ever so off in th- in its expression that it’s like the person who tells you 95% of the truths, but lies 5% of the time.

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And then you stick around and you hang out with him ’cause you’re like, “I feel like most of it’s good, but there’s just a few white lies.”

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And so like, “Uh, I don’t know, but like they seem like a good person,” right?

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That’s the way I experience 1260.

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And in that, uh, 5%, it actually starts to strip away at our essence and puts us more into a very, uh, rigid method of h- of understanding life rather than what’s our birthright and being 1320.Oh, man, there’s so many pieces in there.

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I’m so glad that, you know, we have this as a recording because it’s the kind of recording you want to go back and listen to because there are so many different elements that I could see, you know, going off and again ex- ex- experiencing.

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It’s not

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Sure, you can go grab a book and, like, look up everything and try to figure it out, but like you said, sometimes it’s about standing as the Vesuvian Man, like, standing there open in that position and seeing, kind of similar to the silence, right, what comes when I do this- Mm-hmm.

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and I just allow myself to open my senses?

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I’m, I’m on a big kick right now, which is very connected to the things that you were saying about the, the senses.

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You know, I’ve, I’ve worked for a very long time with plants, um, on the 5 main senses other than expanding even our 5, you know, known senses.

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But as you said, I feel like we’ve lost

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We’ve forgotten, not lost.

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We’ve forgotten our ability to connect into other senses that we know that plants and other, you know, other beings have, and so therefore, because we’re all connected, we have to have them too.

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And I’ve been experimenting a lot and teaching a lot on the concept of just giving yourself that space to embody, re-embody these senses and so much of it is about deep

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You know, when you, when you give yourself that space with another being, with a plant, or with the land just as, as a being, there is so much that comes through that relationship that

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It’s that resonance that starts to hum between the both of you that then reconnects you.

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It’s almost as if they pass to you how they f- how they experienced something, how can experience it, so that you can experience it.

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You were, you were talking earlier about, like, the, the land, its, you know, how

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Where was it?

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How the, your ancestors, you know, are the.

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and the Earth has so much to share still.

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When I was in Australia, actually it was the first time I kind of brought this to my awareness, um, I was listening to, uh, I, I work a lot with the music of the plants and I had brought the device with me.

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I was doing these really amazing, beautiful workshop with, uh, a professor of songlines and, you know- Mm-hmm.

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songlines were the, you know, how the Aboriginal people would, uh, map out locations through song, right?

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They could hear sort of what was happening and they would then create these really very simple catchy tunes that they could sing along and that was what guided them when they didn’t have written maps and we were, we were working on modern songlines connected.

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We were in Melbourne and we were working on, on modern songlines connected to the location, this, this reserve park that we were in too, and I realized as I started to listen to the music of the plants with that optic, like I, I kind of was immersed in this field of I want to listen to this land so much that I can design, you know, these songlines.

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Um, and I was listening to the music and I was like, oh my goodness, like this music, the music these plants were playing was, felt very much like what we think of as traditional music from this area and- Mm-hmm.

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I was, I started to actively then listen in other locations to native plants, to plants that had been in the area.

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For example, um, a friend of ours had sent a, a recording of a plant playing music to s- to a musicologist friend of theirs and the musicologist, uh, wrote them back and was like, “Um, where did you get this music?”

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And he was like, “Why?”

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And he says, “Because this is like 300-year-old music from this particular part of Italy.”

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And he’s like, “From a 300-year-old tree from that part of Italy?”

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And so it was like this kind of flash of, oh my goodness, when we give that space, all of a sudden you recognize that what we think of as language and culture and, and because language is a musicality and culture and all these things, it’s all coming from the Earth.

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It’s, it’s the Earth giving it to the humans and the humans thinking, oh, I invented this clothing choice and this dance move and this sound, you know, as like- Mm-hmm.

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Balkan or American or Italian or whatever.”

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But most likely, that all is all just handed to you from the frequencies and the resonances of that particular location.

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And how different does your relationship to home or to my native lands become when you realize that it’s, yes, cultural is the people, but as somebody just said, uh, recently in a, in, um, a, a conference I was listening to who was saying, “Ecology is just natural sociology, because it’s all about the relationship-” Mm-hmm.

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of the beings.”

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I was like, “Ah.”

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I like that.

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So it’s a different way of, of living where you are, of hearing, of, of feeling where you live.

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So here’s a weird question for you.

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As some

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Go, go, go into it.

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Get into it ’cause it’s like that- No.

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Go ahead.

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into it.

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No, no, no, I wanna hear because I have a question, but, but it’s gonna, it’s gonna take you into a little bit more of theoreticizing, theoreticalizing, and I wanna hear what, you know- Mm-hmm.

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what’s coming out for you.

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Well, I, I just felt to speak to a recent memory.

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I was hanging out with an indigenous elder in Mexico just a couple weeks ago, and he was commenting to me how

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L- like, I live a very nomadic life at this point in time.

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I haven’t been in one place for more than 8 weeks in the last 5 years, and he’s noticed that b- because I’ve known him for 3 or 4 years, years now.

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And he was like, “Don’t you, don’t you ever get, um

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Like, don’t you ever feel like you wanna be at home?”

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And m- the natural inspired response that came out without a second thought was, “I feel like the world is my home.”

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And I didn’t say that in a romantic, fancy kind of way.

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It’s what I genuinely feel, that wherever my f- feet have landed me, I feel a sense of being at home.

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And that’s not down to anything else r- other than the connections that I’ve developed with my own instrument, my own antenna, so that when I am on, on land, that I can actually, like, coordinate myself and h- have a sense of orientation respective to the life that’s around me, ’cause I feel like that sense of home that we feels like the place that we know, right?

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It’s like, ah, home.

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Like, my mother’s cooking or, you know, a, a loved one’s voice or whatever it may be, a painting on the wall.

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But for me, it’s just been a, over the years, an expansion of what that experience actually is into the lived natural world.

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And so, once I developed a connection with the water, like, no, no matter where I find water, it brings me right back home.

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But it brings me back home in a new way.

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And what I mean by that is, like, whe- when I give myself a little blessing with the water or if I drink a little bit of that water, it’s now informing me of that land that’s there.

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And so, there’s like a piece that’s around cultivating oneself to a point where we can actually em- embrace the elements within ourselves and get to know their song.

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And recognizing that, uh, like, the, the deeper intention for what I’m speaking to here is the possibility to open up our aperture for our relationship to life.

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And I remember this beautiful, um, feedback from a researcher who went out to study the Kalahari Bushmen, and in conversation with them, he found that they entered a profound sadness when they learned that he couldn’t hear the echoes of the stars.

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And so, for me, that’s like a big wall.

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Like, uh, most of us have never even considered that the stars have an echo that can be heard, right?

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Yet, for them, it’s how they live each and every day, and it’s a completely normal thing.

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And so, for me, there’s this like undertone within our conversation that there’s an opportunity to really open up our aperture for what relating to life looks like, what turning on our faculties through the 13, 20 frequency looks like, what tapping into our reserves and under- understanding our relationship to nature looks like.

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And, you know, like, more of it can be discovered through studying different languages, and that’s something that has helped me out tremendously.

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Like, I consider myself blessed that I was born, uh, in a f- fairly strong Serbian culture, and so we were forced to speak Serbian in the house even though we lived in Australia, so I grew up speaking 2 languages.

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I’ve learned Spanish in the meantime and studied and continue to study quite a few indigenous languages.

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And what I found fascinating about the word for nature in Serbian is, which means before birth.

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So like, the word itself tells you exactly where we’re from a- and ex- and exactly where we, we return.

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And just having those little insights through language, especially languages that are a little bit older, it opens up doorways for the imagination and for our relationship to life that I feel we don’t quite have access to through the English language.

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It’s in the show notes.

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Plant music is great for healing, sharing, and personal connection.

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Let’s continue our journey of personal evolution and plant consciousness together with the songs of plants.There are so many pieces that you’re touching on that I

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Literally, I’m so emotional right now in such a beautiful way because you’re touching on so many things that I also live and, you know, put into words in a very, very different way than the way you explain it, and that’s the beauty of it.

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Like, there’s a, a deep resonance for me in the things that you’re saying that are really touching me profoundly.

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Like, I’m seriously, like, all teared up right now because, for example, the whole language component.

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I, I love language from the perspective of the connection it gives me, not just to be able to communicate, I mean, that’s sure, but, um, the, the culture and the land culture that comes from a, a language.

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I also, you know, was blessed to be raised in the same kind of perspective, in my case it was Spanish inside of an American culte- you know, context.

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Mm-hmm.

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And having, you know, my parents make sure that we learned it well and we speak it well and then when

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You know, I lived in Spain and so

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And Spanish, Cuban Spanish, and Spanish, Spain Spanish are slightly different and having to be able to relate to that and then all the other languages like Italian that I speak and French and the- and like you said, I’ve, I’ve also studied, you know, Russian and, uh, I was just working in Croatian over the weekend and stuff like that and I don’t speak any of them well enough, but just enough to

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I feel like it’s just so important to hear it, to especially when I’m there, I was just in Croatia, like, 2 weeks ago from when we’re recording this and, you know, there were several people who asked me, like, “Oh, you speak Croatian?”

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Because of the way that I listen ’cause I

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And, and I listen intently m- because it’s part words but it’s part relation that’s coming through those words and- Mm.

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a deep, deep understanding of what the land has infused in the people from, you know, the way that those words are expressed and these other pieces.

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And the idea of opening up, like you said, I mean, you use the word aperture and I, I call, you know, I, I work, um, I, I, I talk about them in the senses perspective probably a little bit more biological because of the work that I do, but it’s the same thing.

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It’s the idea of

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Anywhere I am, and I also am somebody who anywhere I am feels like home, and when I was with, for example, Cirque du Soleil when I first started to travel extensively, you know, I would call every place that I’ve lived, first of all, that I’ve lived even if I was there for 6 weeks or, you know, 2 or 3 months.

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I feel like it’s the place that I lived and I’ve always, you know, in the moments that I was there, they were home and I’ve, I’ve never understood people who are like, “Oh yeah, just transited through.”

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Or, you know,

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Didn’t really know the place.

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Mm.

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Because I feel like w- what a gift to be able to in the moment that you’re in, sure, you know, Miami is still the place I grew up in, the place that I have the strongest bonds but, for example, Barcelona for me is another place that I feel I can feel my ancestral roots kind of in there and connected through to that Catalan culture that, that is a part of who I am physically, but I also have a really, really strong connection to Norway which I discovered only in the last

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few years comes from my soul’s journey and the way my soul has journeyed through this planet and the experiences that I’ve had and why I ended up here in the land of the Selassie where I don’t think of this little pocket of where I am besides the fact of Domonher.

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But I feel very much a connection to the Selassie people who are peoples that have almost been forgotten because they didn’t have a written language so there’s not a lot, you know, other than what resonates when you, you know, sit on, on the Celtic altar that’s about 45 minutes from my house, and you, you know, you put, you put your skin on it and you gather the memories of what was experienced there and the people that transited through there.

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And all of this musicality, right, that comes th- the musicality that becomes language, the musicality that is vibration, the mi- musicality that is, you know, the, the way the plants are communicating with us.

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All of this swirls around and I feel like it, it wraps me in and becomes part of me in some ways.

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In the moment that I am there, I am that because I am nature and I can adapt and in- integrate and relate in those ways.

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And I’m moving my hands a lot because that’s the way that I express things.

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And it’s, these are those places that are so hard to put into words and to a certain extent, we don’t have to put them into the perfect words, right?

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That’s not the- Mm.

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point of it.

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The point is words are just one more of the musicality that I’m using to express it and why I also do this in video because I want people to be able to see the expressions my face is making, the movements my arms are making, the way

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That’s for me.

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Where somebody else might internalize it in a completely different way, but my way is that somatic feeling and every part of my body resonating and the different cells that I have finding their connections and saying, “Yes, this is the piece that is, you know, me in this moment and I am this.

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I am this location. I am this moment. I am this experience. I am this

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You know, e- everything else with it.

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I don’t even know if that made any sense but I tried.

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I’m with you.

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1, one or the other pieces like on language that’s really fascinating to me, particularly when looking at some of the older languages of like first Nations peoples, is how their language formed their reality and w- what I mean by that is like there’s s- like, in the Aboriginal languages of Australia, they very rarely spoke about location as far as here and now.

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They always spoke about i- in terms of where they’re going, and their movement which speaks to the fact that like we’re in this constant state of motion in life, right?

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Or one of the other pieces they would share with me from one of the elders in Mexico is that they didn’t have words for stop, for don’t, for can’t, and they didn’t have swear words either.

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So when their children were being raised and they wanted their children to stop doing what they’re doing, they couldn’t tell them to stop.

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The best that they could do was just to re-divert their energy to do something else.

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And so you think about what that does for us at the level of human, of our own personal expression in the way that we can express ourselves if during our whole, uh, childhood, teenagehood, into early adulthood, no-one ever told us not to do something.

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Instead, they just redirected our energy to express i- in a different na- in a different way.

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I- it’s a completely different world, th- that they live and I’ve s- had the opportunity to spend time with those children who are still raised in those cultures and like, they’re like adults i- in tiny bodies.

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Like, they’re so well-aware of themselves and the way that they move and they operate and they don’t even have to speak sometimes.

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Like, sometimes they just let out a, a little sound that tells you everything and allows like adults who are coming out of their culture in to like have a taste of what they, how they lived.

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Just this profound state of like

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I’ve had little, little children that have just hummed to me like,

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And in that hum, it’s like all my energy falls into place and into, into line because th- like, they’re just a living transmission, right?

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It, it is that

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Y- y- you know, we, we kind of keep circling around this word but you keep coming back to it which I love that you keep coming back to it, is, is awareness.

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You know, the, the kind of modern culture, mostly Western culture, is the complete opposite from awareness, right?

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That presence has been sort of conditioned out of us.

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The awareness of my body, of my space, of my c- m- of, of where I am, not just physically but beyond as you said, the awareness of, of who I am and what I’m taking in and where does that lead me, all these different aspects.

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We, we’re kind of almost taught not to listen to it.

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You know, we’re taught, children are no longer taught to, to listen to their bodies.

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“You eat when I tell you to eat.

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If you don’t eat now, you won’t eat.”

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, even just something simple as that, like the, the rigid timelines of get up for breakfast and eat this now.

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And, you know, breakfast, lunch, and d- when I moved to Italy, I had been living in Barcelona before this.

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And in Barcelona, I had done this massive experiment, like kind of put myself into a like a little bit of an ecological field test you might say, to understand certain rhythms of my body because I wanted to understand like when am I most creative, when am I most strategic, when am I hungry, you know, especially around food, um, because I had come from, you know, a world of body dysmorphia and other different things.

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And I have found, it was fascinating when I let myself just sort of have permission to

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follow those natural instincts.

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I learned a lot about my up cycles, my down cycles, when I work, whe- and to this day I still basically take siesta, like right after, right after my lunch period I am not capable of doing anything and, uh, you know, all these different pieces of myself.

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And then I came here to Damanhur which is very, very Italian when it comes

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which Italians are super rigid when it comes to their, like, eating times, um, because eating times have a social context to them and not- and the food and the whole 9 yards.

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And I’m neither connected to the food, and I especially didn’t connect to the times of food.

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And I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been yelled at because I either didn’t eat with the family.

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Like, I would come and sit and hang out and chat and they were like, “What do you mean, why aren’t you eating?”

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And I’m like, “This is not when I

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my body doesn’t, doesn’t do well.”

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And I would get, like, chastised for it.

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Or chastised because maybe, you know, I was more in movement during when it was time to eat because, again, that wasn’t when it came, when it was or- you know, time for me to eat.

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So as I tried to eat with the family from that context, I ended up, like, feeling physically like crap for so long until- Mm.

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I finally said to them one day, I was like, we’re gonna have to have a conversation because my body doesn’t work on this timeline and I don’t have any problem with the fact that you have this timeline, great for you, but just let me be me.”

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Like, I’m gonna come, I’m gonna sit, I’m gonna chat, I’m gonna get up, I might pick at something and then I’m uh

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And I’m gonna have my meals, which are completely different configuration of food too, because my body just doesn’t react very well, you know, from- I- uh, come on, I, I’m from a Caribbean island, like, I am meant to eat different things.

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And so, um, you know, t- but that whole understanding of how do we get out of the conditioning that tells me don’t listen to what your body needs, you do this, because that’s what’s socially acceptable, and slowly disconnects me, I can’t tell you how many people tell me I’m disconnected from the, from the neck down, because your awareness has been systematically shut down- Yeah.

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And compare that to the children that you’re talking about who are on the opposite end, which is, like, feel what you feel, don’t stop, but what if you feel that in this direction?

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Like, like, let’s help you experience it in other ways and you come to the realization of which one is better for you, type of thing.

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Yeah, totally.

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And to dovetail off that theme of awareness, there’s m- the interesting perspective of most indigenous cultures share more or- more or less the same view that when it comes to our, to our body that we have 3 brains rather than just the one, and that in the modern world we just use them back to front, or in some instances don’t even use ’em.

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So what you spoke to there about people feeling disconnected from the head down, th- that’s nothing more th- than a symptom of the modern world and all the conditions and structures that come with it.

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Whereas, uh, indigenous teachings say that we actually have 3 brains, first is the gut, second is the heart, third is the brain.

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And the one teaching that I sh- was shared with me that I love the most is that, um, at the level of the gut, that’s about honoring your instinct.

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So sometimes we go into conversations well of feeling and emotion, and people kind of blur the lines with those 2, but to me they’re very 2 different, uh, experiences.

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Feeling is at the level of the gut, “Ooh, don’t know about that person.”

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I don’t have an emotional word for this, but it’s a, “Mm, it’s not quite a fit,” right?

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Or whatever it is.

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Even with food on the menu, like, from a very young age, even before I got into, you know, th- this world of following like a- the path of the- the modern mystic like I mentioned, I used to look at a menu and I’d choose based off gut instinct.

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I didn’t choose based off what I thought would be nice.

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It was like, “Ah, this kind of feels like a- like a vibe, I’ll go with that.”

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That might seem silly.

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That might seem like illusion.

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That might seem like I’m just making things up.

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Or it may be actually me honoring the fact that I am in a conscious field when I step into a restaurant or a cafe or where- where- wherever I am, and I’m tuning into, like, what actually feels appropriate for my body at that point in time, and that’s it.

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There’s nothing more to it.

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Mm-hmm.

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And there’s an incredible intelligence there that when we honor it, we can undo a lot of unnecessary karma that we engage with.

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Perfect example.

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Uh, I invested in something not too long ago that felt like that, and I went through with the investment because I justified it at the level of the mind.

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So rather than honoring indigenous teaching and li- and living through the gut first, I lived through the mind first, and then I ended up ge- getting caught in an 18-month cycle of money never being returned to me, right, on a promise that it will come back within a few weeks.

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So- Right.

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I feel like we can undo a lot of unnecessary karma that we can get entangled in by honoring the gut first.

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second being the heart, which is like the brain of the emotions and allowing ourselves to process and filter emotions and having no, uh, no judgment or, like, any kind of relationship with it other than the fact that it’s an emotion, it’s alive, let me live with it.

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And then the third one being the, uh, the brain of the mind, which is the instruction that I was given with that was this is used for one purpose, to cast a beautiful thought.

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And that for me was a revelation in the simplicity of the teaching, because most of us in the modern world use our minds to create chaos and destruction and turmoil and suffering and all this kind of stuff, because we don’t know how to use it effectively.

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00:51:54,159 –> 00:52:02,299
And the beautiful teachings, uh, around these are that, like, if this is new information to anyone, well, then, like, how do I go about activating these?

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00:52:02,299 –> 00:52:10,512
Well, first up, like, if we’re full of shit, uh, in our guts literally, then it’s gonna h- we’re gonna have a really tough time actually knowing what our gut instinct is.

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00:52:10,759 –> 00:52:17,712
So a detox, a bowel cleanse, and so- some basic housekeeping is- is a great way to start, and then the rest of the system will just start to switch on.

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And this is, uh, you know, I- I- putting it, again, putting things into different words, I often tell people that when they reconnect back into the natural world, when they find that nat- that plantness within themselves, the naturalness, the fact that you are animal, all these different parts, the whole e- from a, you know, we talk about it from sustainability and people think, “Oh, it’s because when you love something, you’re not gonna hurt it.”

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I’m like, “It’s- it’s way more than that.”

442
00:52:45,239 –> 00:52:53,939
And the fact that your health and your food relationships completely change, not because you’re thinking about it like, “What am I supposed to eat?”

443
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But like you just said it perfectly.

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I naturally choose what’s best for me.

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I most likely will do it in harmony with the location that I’m in, so you know, if I’m sitting in a place like where I am right now where I have such a- a close relationship with the seasons and such, it’s, I- I- I see it sometimes like luckily I go to a Domon Hurrien, uh, grocery store, so what’s on the vegetables are the vegetables that her son actually grows.

446
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So I know I’m getting seasonal.

447
00:53:24,399 –> 00:53:33,759
But like when I go into a big supermarket now, I just avoid 3 quarters of the things, because it’s not connected to this land, you know?

448
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Mm-hmm.

449
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It’s not connected to the seasonality.

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And I find that I have very little waste because I buy from that place and I cook from that place, and there’s this pleasure that comes and my body really feeling in connection.

451
00:53:49,739 –> 00:54:08,959
So as a person who has had, you know, body dysmorphia, who is a Taurus and loves food and, you know, who- who craves certain things, getting out of, like you said, the- the mind part or even the- the moments, and I would- I would m- my little nitpicky thing would be a little bit opposite.

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00:54:08,959 –> 00:54:21,538.9999999995343
I would say it’s the mind of the gut, the mind of the heart, and the mind of the brain, because to me, the brain is this limited thing that we’ve given all this importance to, but that’s a whole other story and a whole other episode that we can have one day.

453
00:54:21,538.9999999995343 –> 00:54:32,499
Um, but I- I just find it super beautiful that how we just come in tune, I guess, maybe.

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Like, we come in tune with things when the connection exists there, because then, as you said, you’re going from that instinct, you’re going from that presence of that- that plantness, and you’re allowing your animalness to, you know, to be a part of it and to intertwine and to give you aspects.

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00:54:53,919 –> 00:55:07,079
But you’re not just being led by, you know, “Oh, I’m s- uh, I’m supposed to be able to come into a store and buy this thing even though this isn’t the season and who cares where it’s coming from,” and all these different pieces.

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00:55:07,079 –> 00:55:09,119
I just don’t even have to think about those anymore.

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00:55:09,119 –> 00:55:15,279
I don’t have to read the label in that way, because my body just naturally gravitates towards other things.

458
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And that’s reason why it took me a while to figure this out.

459
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When I’m here, I eat in one way.

460
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When I’m like, for example, visiting other places, I eat very differently, because again, you tune in and your body sort of finds this harmony and says, “Okay, this land offers my body this and this is how we work together.”

461
00:55:33,299 –> 00:55:49,099
And so, um, you know, going into stores, if I have to go into a store, going to the farm, um, you know, directly where, or the farmer’s market, where I can feel into that kind of, as we were talking about, the song line, the- the- the- Mm-hmm.

462
00:55:49,099 –> 00:55:59,019
the frequency of that land, and then harmonize that, eh, with my own frequency, I’m- I’m just gonna naturally make the better choices.

463
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It’s- it’s- it’s not a, it’s not a mental thing.

464
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We don’t have to think about it in that way.

465
00:56:02,759 –> 00:56:08,035
It just sort of happens.Why is this so hard?

466
00:56:08,035 –> 00:56:12,156
I think it’s hard for people because again, we’re, we’re shielded from so much of it.

467
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It’s, um, we, we just don’t give ourselves enough space, enough permission, and enough space to, to explore all of this.

468
00:56:18,815 –> 00:56:30,536
This is why friends of mine, I have friends of mine who, um, he’s a lawyer, she’s a, a professor, a college professor, amazing people, and their spiritual practice is to do Vipassana every year.

469
00:56:30,536 –> 00:56:31,515
Like, it- Nice.

470
00:56:31,515 –> 00:56:35,875
she has to have those 10 days, 11 days of silence every year.

471
00:56:35,875 –> 00:56:44,136
She’s like, that’s what r- you know, as a person who has to teach and been with a lot of students and the whole academic world, she says, “This is what resets us.”

472
00:56:44,136 –> 00:56:56,055
And as a, as a couple, I mean, they’ve, they’ve gone, they don’t go together obviously, they go, uh, into different locations always, but she’s like, “This thing is just like such an important reset for us to do.”

473
00:56:56,055 –> 00:56:56,112
Mm-hmm.

474
00:56:57,335 –> 00:57:04,715
we’re kind of wrapping up ’cause I, I’m, like I s- this is another one of those calls where like we could just sit here forever and, and go- Yeah.

475
00:57:04,715 –> 00:57:05,995
deeper into it.

476
00:57:05,995 –> 00:57:06,616
I want

477
00:57:06,616 –> 00:57:08,464
2, 2 questions that I have for you.

478
00:57:09,415 –> 00:57:24,555
One of them is, I know that you’ve, um, got this amazing, I was just looking at it, amazing kind of, uh, spray that you work on, and I wanna give you space for you to explain to people what this is, where it comes from, why is this important, and everything that is relating to that.

479
00:57:24,555 –> 00:57:26,800
So I’ll ask you that first, then I’ll ask you the last question.

480
00:57:27,842 –> 00:57:28,208
Sure.

481
00:57:28,755 –> 00:57:38,675
Yeah, uh, this spray is called Dragon Breath, and it’s a extract from a plant that I l- learned about during my, uh, pilgrimages in Mexico.

482
00:57:38,675 –> 00:57:50,695
And I initially started using it because it’s a plant that when you spray, it has a really, uh, beautiful sensory experience, and part of that sensory experience is kind of pop rock candy, for people who know what that is.

483
00:57:50,695 –> 00:57:59,935
It creates a popping, tingling, numbing sensation in the mouth, but it also increases saliva flow quite a bit, so it regenerates the enzymes, around the mouth, the teeth, and the gums.

484
00:57:59,935 –> 00:58:06,192
Incredible for oral health and, and or all around powerhouse as far as wellness products goes.

485
00:58:07,035 –> 00:58:14,515
But as time has gone on, I’ve actually found that that sensory experience, what it’s actually doing for a lot of people is it’s helping them to drop into greater presence.

486
00:58:14,515 –> 00:58:33,743.9999999995343
So in a world where, like even for someone like myself, I do my best to live very much connected with nature and all of that, but like I’m on podcasts, my, my phone has a mountain of no- notifications that need tending to, I run a business through it all, all that kind of stuff, it gets very easy to get drawn into the screens even if we’re not doom-scrolling.

487
00:58:34,255 –> 00:58:56,560
And so for me, this is a way that when I spray it, it just drops all of that static noise that we accumulate from engaging with tech and all that stuff, and all of the mental dialogues that we can be having and, uh, organizing our life, and it just draws me, draws me into a really present state, uh, and helps me stay in, in flow essentially.

488
00:58:57,195 –> 00:59:09,551.9999999995343
So I call it the Dragon Breath because it allows in a single spray, it’s like a portal into that world of the mystic and the mythic, and coming into connection with the primal.

489
00:59:10,075 –> 00:59:15,315
Uh, I like to say that it’s, you know, like the birth child of lightning and fire in a bottle.

490
00:59:15,315 –> 00:59:20,175
It just connects you to that elemental wisdom in, you know-

491
00:59:20,815 –> 00:59:21,895
snap of a finger.

492
00:59:21,895 –> 00:59:22,576
A single spray.

493
00:59:24,355 –> 00:59:25,95.00000000046566
Fantastic.

494
00:59:25,95.00000000046566 –> 00:59:31,715
So, um, of course, I’m gonna put all the show link, you know, all the notes, notes, all the links in the show notes.

495
00:59:31,715 –> 00:59:32,112
Gosh.

496
00:59:33,055 –> 00:59:34,154.99999999953434
Lack of words.

497
00:59:34,154.99999999953434 –> 00:59:40,035
And so that people can definitely contact you and also find the product and everything like that, which is great.

498
00:59:40,035 –> 00:59:42,832
So here’s my last question for you, and you can answer it however you want.

499
00:59:43,975 –> 01:00:14,199
In a world that is noisy, to be honest, and knowing that not, you know, everybody is willing yet, even if they have a desire but they’re not necessarily there yet to, you know, shut off for 9 months or even just shut off for a day and go into silence for a day, which is a big element also of certain paths here at Damanhur, what would you, what, what words of wisdom

500
01:00:14,199 –> 01:00:20,520
would you offer them to start to cultivate an inner silence and a greater awareness?

501
01:00:20,520 –> 01:00:44,259
I mean, the words that come up for me immediately are to consider the sadness of the other side, and what I mean by that is, many times people have given me the feedback of, “Oh, you were silent for 9 months.

502
01:00:44,259 –> 01:00:45,456
I couldn’t do that for an hour.”

503
01:00:46,659 –> 01:00:56,959
And it’s oftentimes because they consider only one side of the coin, which is, well, what do I have to give up?

504
01:00:56,959 –> 01:01:04,784
And they don’t consider what the benefit is, and the profound clarity that they could have if they allowed themselves to have time and space.

505
01:01:05,410 –> 01:01:09,104
And so for me, there’s a natural invitation there for people to consider the other side.

506
01:01:10,239 –> 01:01:34,839
And the other piece around considering the other side for me is that we rarely actually consider the worst case scenario through to its final end, and what I mean by that is we hit the brakes on life many times because we spend most of our lives living through the illusions of how we anticipate that other people are perceiving us.

507
01:01:34,839 –> 01:01:47,870
So it’s like, I have an idea of the idea that I think that you have of me, and as a result, I’ll try and live my life responding to that, which is a sick way to live, uh, in my opinion.

508
01:01:48,619 –> 01:01:54,320
And much greater is to give ourselves the liberation and freedom to live exactly according to where our inspirations are.

509
01:01:54,939 –> 01:02:04,080
And when searching our inspirations, they can oftentimes lead us down a path less traveled, and they can land us in places that we don’t know.

510
01:02:04,939 –> 01:02:15,739
And in those places of not knowing, we can find ourselves being, uh, in experiences of friction against, like, survival needs, right?

511
01:02:15,739 –> 01:02:17,659
Like, w- well, what if I can’t figure it out?

512
01:02:17,659 –> 01:02:20,199
What, what if I don’t make the money that I need to make?

513
01:02:20,199 –> 01:02:21,456
Well, what if this, what if that?

514
01:02:22,099 –> 01:02:25,499
And I actually encourage people to entertain that.

515
01:02:25,499 –> 01:02:26,256
Like, what if

516
01:02:27,359 –> 01:02:29,679
And to entertain it through to its end.

517
01:02:29,679 –> 01:02:43,088
So what I mean by that is, like, when I decided to sell everything that I owned in Australia, pack my life down into a suitcase, and book a one-way ticket to Mexico, in a country where I only knew one person and couldn’t speak a l- the language, I considered my worst case scenario.

518
01:02:43,799 –> 01:02:47,536
In reality, it was I book a return flight back to Australia.

519
01:02:48,579 –> 01:02:49,936
Like, it wasn’t that scary.

520
01:02:50,659 –> 01:02:55,984
But yet, oftentimes when I speak to people, they say to me, “Wow, like, the courage it must have taken for you to go to Mexico.”

521
01:02:56,739 –> 01:03:01,719
And for me, it’s like, yeah, maybe, but not really, because what was the flip side?

522
01:03:01,719 –> 01:03:06,192
I keep living a life of a, um, like, like a half-baked life.

523
01:03:06,850 –> 01:03:10,640
Partly inspired, partly not, and just pretending like life’s okay.

524
01:03:11,339 –> 01:03:15,199
And I was like, why not just bet it all and see where the journey takes me?

525
01:03:15,199 –> 01:03:20,599
And if it takes me absolutely nowhere, well, my worst case scenario is I go back and I can make money again.

526
01:03:20,599 –> 01:03:28,496
But the part that I can’t offer myself again in my life is the freedom to actually pursue the opportunity when the inspiration is alive.

527
01:03:29,159 –> 01:03:37,779
And, you know, that speaks to that piece of readiness that we discussed, that we’re ultimately never going to be ready, and there’s never going to be a perfect time.

528
01:03:37,779 –> 01:03:44,759
If you’re into astrology and that kind of stuff, yes, there’s more opportune times for certain things, but that doesn’t give an excuse to hold back on life.

529
01:03:44,759 –> 01:03:58,219
When the inspiration’s there, it’s there for a reason, and the sooner we take that inspiration by the horns and live with it, uh, the sooner that we start to enter into those magical states of life that we spoke about where the poetry of life starts to speak to us.

530
01:03:58,219 –> 01:04:07,319
And from there, it’s like you’re both the, um, the main actor, the writer, the choreographer, director, and the audience at the same time.

531
01:04:07,319 –> 01:04:17,584
And that’s my invitation to everyone, to have an experience to really open up to what life has in store for them and to follow their own soul path.

532
01:04:20,738 –> 01:04:21,979
Beautifully put.

533
01:04:21,979 –> 01:04:26,139
I, I have, I have nothing more to add to that ’cause it’s, it’s perfect.

534
01:04:26,139 –> 01:04:27,600
It’s absolutely perfect.

535
01:04:28,379 –> 01:04:30,799
Thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Marco.

536
01:04:30,799 –> 01:04:48,499
This has been such an inspiring conversation, a c- a confirming con- conversation, a emotional but, like, in, in all the right ways type of conversation, and I am deeply appreciative of everything that you shared and, and just, you know, your, your way of being.

537
01:04:48,499 –> 01:04:51,006
Like, I, I appreciate that so much.

538
01:04:51,679 –> 01:04:52,304
Thank you.

539
01:04:53,659 –> 01:04:55,559
Thank you, Tigrilla, and thank you for offering this space.

540
01:04:55,559 –> 01:05:01,979
And please go, please go check out everything that Marco has to offer, and everything will be in the show notes.

541
01:05:01,979 –> 01:05:15,279
And remember that if you want to continue conversations like this, please first share this, hit the like, hit, oh, you know, all those, those things that you do in order to ensure that there is a new tomorrow for the work that we’re doing.

542
01:05:15,279 –> 01:05:20,059
But also remember that you can always come into the Naturally Conscious community and continue these conversations.

543
01:05:20,059 –> 01:05:33,968
It’s a place where you’re going to find, you know, that mysticism, this, this location, this presence, and where you can feel supported and to help you find your willingness to move into those unexplored paths in your own life.

544
01:05:35,219 –> 01:05:36,599
That’s it for this week.

545
01:05:36,599 –> 01:05:39,984
Remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

546
01:05:41,154 –> 01:05:41,662
Bye.

547
01:05:43,799 –> 01:05:47,134
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

548
01:05:47,679 –> 01:05:58,064
To continue these conversations, join us in the Naturally Conscious community, your premier online ecosystem for plant reawakening and accelerated evolution and co-creation with otherkin.

549
01:05:58,659 –> 01:06:08,080
Here, you’ll find expansive discussions, interactive courses, live events, and supportive group programs like the Plant Wisdom Book Club and the Sprouts Writing and Creativity Group.

550
01:06:08,706 –> 01:06:13,939
Connect with like-minded individuals collaborating with plants to integrate these insights into life.

551
01:06:13,939 –> 01:06:19,079
Intro and outro music by Steve Sciulli and Poinsetta from The Singing Life of Plants.

552
01:06:19,079 –> 01:06:22,679
That’s it for me, Tigrilla Gardenia, and my plant collaborators.

553
01:06:22,679 –> 01:06:26,864
Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

554
01:06:27,439 –> 01:06:28,159
I’m out.

555
01:06:28,159 –> 01:06:28,699
Bye.