Ep.119 Remembering What it Means to Be Human with Layton Fulton

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Hello, hello, hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

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It’s me, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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I love Leyton.

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That’s it.

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I’m just gonna say it.

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I’m gonna say it right from the beginning.

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I love Leyton Fulton.

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I have had multiple conversations with him now and every conversation is pure gold, pure gold.

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You are going to love this episode so much because if there is ever a person who represents the everyday and who does it in such a beautiful, shining way, it is Leyton Fulton.

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I- I’m- I’m telling you, I can’t sing his praises enough because I just- I love how Leyton has taken everyday life and turned it into wisdom.

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It’s- it’s- yeah, it’s beautiful.

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There are so many things that I could say, but instead, I’m just gonna let Leyton speak for himself because it- it comes across.

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And so this episode is so special.

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It’s episode 119, Remembering What it Means to Be Human with Leyton Fulton.

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I mean, seriously, just from that title alone, doesn’t that tell you that this is gonna be a great conversation?

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I- I- I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

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Welcome to Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

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I’m your host, Tigrilla Gardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and founder of the Naturally Conscious Community.

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For over a decade, I’ve been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.

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In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge from biology to spirituality about the wondrous ways of plants.

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Together, we’ll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.

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Leyton, you are one of those surprises that I love so much ’cause we were like

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When we went, had our pre-interview, it was kind of like, “I don’t know where this is gonna go.”

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And in the end, it ended up going to an amazing place.

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So, to get us started, can you tell everybody who is Leyton?

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Uh, well, you know, uh, that might be a bit of a struggle.

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I’m still on that path of- of finding out who that guy is myself, truth be told.

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But, uh, I am, I guess, a distinct individual here that is, uh, has been exploring human consciousness, has been my, I don’t wanna say that it’s been a goal, but it’s been a- a very rewarding journey over the last 4 or 5 years.

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I’ve really been leaning into the human consciousness, the- the David Hawkins of the world, the Thomas Campbells, the Alan Wattses are- are big influences of mine that I’ve been reading.

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And of course, as you know, and we spoke before, uh, vibration and frequency is such a big thing.

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And that’s kind of, I feel, what brought us together with, uh, the plants.

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I work in psychedelic, uh, medicine, psilocybin specifically, uh, hypnotherapy, which is, uh, you know, dealing with the unconscious mind, and dealing with, uh, you know, what your body is telling you, what your nervous system is telling you.

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And a lot of the times, I seem to end up in that intersection where vibration and frequency comes to tell you where your body is and what your nervous system is trying to tell you.

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And I have found that, uh, I’m an individual.

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I s- I don’t know if I agree with that word or not, but someone who’s connected to everything, and I think we all are-

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and the planets.

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Where- where I’m from

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I was just gonna say, where I’m from, the individual is made out of 5 people, whatever kind of people, human people, non-human people, but 5 people make up an in- individual.

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So, in that way, you are an individual.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so, uh, you know, a distinct individual who has found his way into human consciousness, you know, uh, via plants, you know?

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So, um, and I’m just still continuing to explore that.

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And in- in, uh, in a lot of my time, I spend helping other people, you know, find a spot where they can kinda enter into that realm of exploring themselves, I guess.

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So, that was a very roundabout answer, uh, but yeah.

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I love it.

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Well, and one of the things I love is

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So, I- I’m always, I have to admit, I’m very cautious when I, uh, meet people who come from the world of psychedelics ’cause unfortunately, I’ve had both kinds of experiences.

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I’ve had the most beautiful experiences that come from a place of deep connection and reverence.

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We’ve had a few people already on the show that have been just beautiful in the relationship that they have with these beings and the work that they do, even when they’re not ingesting, but just, like, that relationship.

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And then, of course, I’ve had people who have reached out to me who wanna be on the podcast because they’re like, “Oh, I do plant medicine,” and it’s not- it’s not the same thing.

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Yes, you’re having a wonderful experience, but your relationship just isn’t there.

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And- and for me, that’s- that’s really what the core of this show is.

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But one of the things that stood out to me when we had our first, you know, our little pre-interview was, I feel like life set you up in a direction that you didn’t even recognize until way later on.

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And so, can you tell people a little bit about how you grew up?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, I, um, I love to reflect on my youth, truth be told.

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You know, I speak a lot, uh, not only in my work with the clinic, but in, when I do these podcasts and when I speak with people.

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I was so fortunate to have an amazing group of mentors, you know, when I was growing up.

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We spoke about, uh, I grew up on a farm in a rural area in Southern Alberta, Canada.

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And, uh, I had a grandfather that lived literally on the other side of the fence from

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We lived in a trailer, they lived in the farmhouse on the home quarter.And, uh, I was lucky enough to grow up around, uh, horses and cattle and cats and dogs and all your typical farm creatures, you know.

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And, um

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And in- with a garden, you know, a huge garden that, uh, the whole family spent the time weeding.

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I’m gonna say the whole family.

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If my mom hears this, she’s going to correct me on that.

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My mom and my grandma-

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worked really hard

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in the garden.

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Uh, so, and, I preface that because, you know, I-

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i- in my growing up, I realized, you know, and was taught by my grandfather and my parents, uh, that the importance of the animals that you raise and the frequency and how you raise them with love, uh, is just as important when you do it with your plants in your garden and, you know, you’re

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I’m sure anyone who’s ever had a plant that looks sad i- in the living room and you come up and like, “What’s wrong little buddy?”

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Like, “What?

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Why

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I’m doing this, I put you in the sunlight, I did this, I did that.”

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You know, you just, you, you talk to them.

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There’s no different than talking to the milk cow in the morning, like, “Hey, Bess, what’s up?”

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You know, when you run your hand down her back and-

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you treat everybody with love and respect and y- you know, th- that, that really, it makes a difference in the world.

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It makes a difference in, in how that animal heals.

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It, it makes a difference in how that animal grows up and it’s no different than when you’re doing it in the garden.

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So, uh, my, my youth was that learning respect for everything, learning that, you know, what you give is what you get.

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And, uh, and that continued on for my entire life.

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I ended up working in the trades when I was at a young age, you know, coming off the farm, working as a welder in a, in a big shop, or not a big shop, but a local farm shop.

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And that mentorship continued, you know, that when you put effort and you put love into your work, regardless of what it is, you, you get that back and your end product shows that.

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A- and I say that because, you know, whether you’re building the Texas gate or you’re fixing somebody’s, uh, truck deck or their trailer, you, you put a lot of effort in, you put a lot of love into it, and you get this great end result.

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And, you know, that was taught to me from day one when you’re in the garden or you’re raising an animal or you’re butchering an animal or whatever it is that you’re

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And I think that this style, this way of growing up changes everything.

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Because as you just said, it, it’s not about somebody, quote-unquote, like, “telling you” to be respectful or telling you to do X, Y, and Z.

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You do it because you’ve lived it.

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You know it’s the right thing to do.

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You see the return from that.

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You see that return in the way that the animal or the plant reacts.

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You see it in the way that you feel.

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You see it in the way that the harmony of the land around you.

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It doesn’t mean hard times don’t come and challenges don’t come, and it doesn’t mean that there aren’t moments where you’re like, “Okay, what’s the right thing to do?”

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But in general, it orients you into that connection and that relationship that I think naturally then you look to that relationship when you need help or when you need support or when you’re looking for answers.

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And it just

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It, it’s like a, it’s like a compass.

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It orients you in a certain way that makes all the rest

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Like you said, you, you know, you went into welding, you went into the trades, you were working, you know, these other jobs, and yet that philosophy, that, that relationship to the natural world remains.

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And I, I just, I can’t emphasize how much I feel as I talk to more and more people that the happiest people, the people that really find themselves and find their direction and their calling come from that type of, um, way of looking at the world.

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Those, those small kind of reminders that we’re all connected and therefore we all wanna be loved, we all wanna be supported, and we all wanna be respected in whomever it is that we are.

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And, and so I’m curious on that front is, at what point do you think you actually

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Uh, this is a weird question, but I guess I’m saying, like, at what point do you feel like you realized it?

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You were like, “Oh my goodness, this is really a different way of living.

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Like, this is, this is a different way of being in this world”?

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Mm.

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You know, uh, I, I was just thinking as you were talking, uh, for surely I have always felt that coming back to the farm i- is my baseline.

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That’s my- Mm-hmm.

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you know, your, your reset.

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I, I worked all over Western Canada and up in the Northwest Territories and all over the place doing construction.

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I, I was very fortunate.

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I had a, a great career in that.

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Um, but when you get tired and you get exhausted and, you know, a lot of the time you’d be in work camps where there’s just, they have a big communal kitchen or if you were working in a city, you were eating at a restaurant and, and I, um, I’m saying this specifically because there was absolutely nothing better than when you were exhausted, when you were tired, you’d come home to the farm and you eat food out of the garden and you eat some local, you know, butchered meat that was raised, you know, here with no preservatives and no vaccines and, and n-

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none of, uh, of anything external.

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And you

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As soon as you were done, you know, as soon as you were sitting, you get here and you breathe the fresh air and the birds

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You know, my kids used to love to come to the farm.

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They’d be like, “Food just tastes better.”

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And the birds just sound louder and just, you know, everything.

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And so I realized that I would say, you know, typical teenager, I blew right through that.

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You know, you do- you don’t, you don’t appreciate stuff at that age it doesn’t seem so

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It was in my 20s, you know, um- Right.

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I left, uh, uh, you know, I left the farm at a young age to go to work and go work all over the place.

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And then in my mid-20s, I remember, you know, doing the coming back and being like, “This is a reset.”

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You know, this is what makes you feel better.

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It doesn’t matter even if you’re eating at a good restaurant or if you’re, you know, working in a nice environment.

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But you’d come back here and be like, “Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.”

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And that was in my mid-20s.

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About the same time I started pulling my parents aside, you know, and coming back and being like, “So about all that stuff we talked about when I was 18, 19, 17, I see what you were saying now.

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I understand.

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Thank you for all that.

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I didn’t get it.”

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Yeah, exactly.

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I’m getting it now.

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It was around that same time that things really started flooding in-

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that, “Oh, yeah, there’s something to this,” for sure.

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So that’s a great question.

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Yeah.

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know exactly how you feel.

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I’ve had that same conversation with my mother.

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Not specifically around, like, the nature element because that’s a different aspect, but about so many other things where I’m like, “Okay, I see it now.”

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“Thank you.

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Thank you for not giving up on me and, and, you know, going in that direction.”

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So on that front, you mentioned something that I think for some people

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I, I know that f- people often question this in me, which is, you know, every once in a while

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Actually, I had somebody who contacted me about being a podcast guest and one of the questions he asked, he’s like, um

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‘Cause he was referred to me by somebody else, by one of my listeners, and he ca- contacts me, he goes, “But, um, before we have the pre-interview, can, uh

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Are you looking for vegetarians?

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Because I’m not a vegetarian.”

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And, and I was like, “I talk about plant intelligence.

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Do you think that I would be a plant, a vegetarian, like, where I only eat plants?”

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He’s like, “Well, a lot of them are.”

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I’m like, “They are.”

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But I, you mentioned something in a way that is very similar to the way I think about it, but I’d love to expand on it, which is, you know, you talked about, you know, butchering and, uh, I’ve also had the, you know, the immense honor, ’cause to me it’s an honor to be able to butcher an animal.

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It’s like you’re entering into another level of relationship where this being is giving you

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And I know some people will say this doesn’t exist, but I have felt that permission, like, that acceptance, that understanding that this is part of the cycle of life and that this is where we are right now probably because it doesn’t come from a place of greed or of overeating, but it comes from, like, feeding an entire family of people in a shared house that, that respect these types of, of, um, cycles and of relationships.

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And so I’m curious as to how do you feel about, you know, you eat animals, you eat plants, and yet you raise all of them, like you said.

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Is there

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first of all, is there a difference for you between the animals and the plants?

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And then also, how, you know, what, what is your philosophical view that’s made you feel comfortable saying, “You know what?

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I feel good, you know, being able to eating these beings that have given their lives for this because”

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whatever.

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Wh- how did, how did you come to that?

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Hmm.

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Yeah, that’s a big one.

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Um, again, I’m gonna speak a lot about my grandfather in, in this, coming back to it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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obviously it’ll be very apparent he was a huge influence in my life.

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Uh, and, and then now, it, it

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I, I was never mu- I was never a hunter growing up.

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You know, I grew up on the farm.

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Uh, I wasn’t too heavily involved.

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We did a lot of the branding and so on and so forth.

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Um, but my, my grandpa and my dad were the individuals that took care of the, uh, the animals.

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And then we didn’t have a lot of animals when I was in my late teens when I was the kinda age that wou- could, I could have been involved with.

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Um, we took the animals to a local butcher.

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There was a lot of tradesies that went on, you know, in small town communities.

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Um, so I wasn’t involved in that too much.

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And then as I got older, um, I had buddies that used to hunt.

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And fortunately, they grew up in similar type environments in Northern Manitoba or Southern Saskatchewan, and I wanted to learn how to hunt because I thought it was a

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I like skills.

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I like to learn things and I like skills.

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So I started learning not with my father.

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My father hunted all the time when he was growing up, growing up.

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They lived in a very barren area that that’s how you survive.You know, they, they, they raised meat and animals, um, to, to sell for, to survive on the ranch, and they shot deer wildly for the family to survive on.

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So, my dad was kind of a, “I, I grew up doing this.

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I’m going to enjoy the fruits of my labor and we’re going to do, to, uh, you know, um, support the local butcher.”

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And, and he, he explored other mi- their, they had their own story.

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Um, they were doing other things.

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Um, and so I, I grew up with, uh, these guys.

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And you know, and this, I’m talking about 19, 20, 21 years old and I’d asked these friends of mine, like, “Would you guys teach me how to hunt?

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You know, I’ve got a gun, I’ve got everything.

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My grandpa’s got me all set up for this, my, you know, my grandpa, my dad, but I don’t know how to skin anything, I don’t know how to properly butcher.

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I don’t know where to start.

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I don’t know where to do this.”

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So, these guys were teaching me how to do it and they had learned from their dad who learned from their grandpa and it was a very respectful thing.

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Like, you don’t need to shoot something with the big rack, but th- also, they hunted in a respectful area that they did shoot some of the bigger elk when we’d go elk hunting because they were not going to make another year.

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Yes, they make a nice trophy, but it also has to do with culling the herd and keeping things proper in the world and they explained all of these things to me that, you know, we’re going to shoot something for meat, so we don’t just shoot this and that.

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You know, we shoot something that is going to be a good animal to take the hide from.

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And they were very nose-to-tail.

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Like, they, they’d make their sausage and their pepperoni and, and use the spleen and use the lungs and use

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So, I was, again- Right.

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I, uh, this is going to be a common thing, I was very fortunate that I had, these were the guys that were teaching me because if I had a sound- had somebody that just shot it and busted the rack off of it and cut the loins off the back and said, “Okay, this is what we do.

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Now, we go back to town,” shooting off their mirror, these weren’t the guys that, you know?

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The, the, like you said, the world seems to have set me up to have all these great mentors and all these great people so, you know, they very much taught me that this is the type of animal that you pick, this is where you do it, this is how we do it, we, you know, we took everything out with us.

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We didn’t leave a, a mess.

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You know, we’d leave some of the stuff that the local animals, you know, the wolves or the, depending on where we were hunting, or the coyotes could eat because, that’s the circle of life.

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You know, that’s how things go.

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But there was no waste and then, you know, I learned how to skin and do things properly and I so firmly believe that that vibration, you know, shows up in the things that you eat.

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Um, I, like, fast food that, the way that those types of things have been processed and worked through and whether it’s a salad and whether it is, you know, factory farming to where people get their eggs or, or anything, I think that that vibration, you know, you take it in.

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My, my grandpa agai- again, I can’t stop saying that, he used to always say, “You know, if, if you chase an animal down with a vehicle,” and, and, and, you know, and, and I know this sounds terrible but if that animal is stressed out and hasn’t been respected you’re going to put all those stress chemicals, all those hormones and all that, that energy and that bad energy, that’s what you’re ingesting.

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You know?

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And you don’t want to put that stuff in your body.

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What you put in your body is very important, you know?

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You wouldn’t put, you wouldn’t eat something out of the garden that’s got DDT sprayed all over it, now that we know better and we know what these chemicals.

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And so, you know, our garden was always chemical free and there was no fertilizers in there other than what we cleaned out of the feed lot, you know, and tilled in the fall before and our compost and everything like that.

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So, whatever you, you know, this, again, this comes back to what you’re putting into your body.

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So, I was just very, very fortunate to, to learn from people that, you know, had learned even from indigenous individuals that there’s a lot of those in the area that, you know, this is important and this is how you respect it and this is how you treat it and that’s what you’re going to put into your body.

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And that’s where the importance of that came from, I guess, if that answers your question.

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And you know, a- again, that, that- Yeah.

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spreads right to the garden.

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It does and I- That, you know, it just what you put in.

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Yeah, and I would, I would extend, I would add a different e- one extra element to it that I think, uh, at least I’ve finally have realized it only now, only at this age.

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So, I think there’s a combination of what you’re offered in the sense that what is it that life provides for you, in the sense of for you, your grandpa.

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Like, for others, it might be another opportunity.

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For example, I didn’t grow up that way, you know.

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I never had any of that type of

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You know, I grew up in the city.

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I grew up with restaurants and, um, and supermarkets.

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Like, y- yes, I, when I went to live on my own, I did go down the organic route and the whole, like, what you put in your body from as best as you can from still buying, rather than buying from the big chain supermarkets, let’s go to the co-op, let’s go to the farmer’s market.

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So I went down that route and that was afforded to me because, you know, I moved to a location that had a lot of that, and so I became part of that culture.

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But I do think, and y- you’ve said it and, and I guess sometimes, you know, we don’t recognize things unless somebody mirrors it back to us.

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As I’m listening to you, I’m realizing that also you took it and ran with it, in the sense that, like you said, in your teenage years, you, you didn’t recognize any of this, the importance of it, why it’s there.

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Mm-hmm.

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But then there came a point in your life where you made a conscious choice to not go ask, like, you know, the neighborhood, uh, trophy hunters, but instead to go and find the people who were like, no, these are the types of people that are doing it.

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They’re doing it in a way that is, “If I’m gonna go take a life, I wanna do it with this level of respect.

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I wanna do it with this level of care for the animal, for, like you said, the cycle of life.”

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Like, it, just the same as the garden, right?

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If I’m gonna take from the garden, I’m gonna create a plot that is the size, that has the right mix of diversity so that these plants are living a good life.

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They’re gl- living a good life, and I am part of that cycle of life, right?

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So like you said, sometimes you hunt to cull, to keep the numbers in check.

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And also, that is because we are nature, right?

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So that is part of our role.

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Just the same as, you know, lions keep gazelles in check and, like, mistletoe will keep certain types of trees also in check as a parasite, we as humans also have the opportunity to do it.

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Our problem is that we go then, like you said, towards trophies and greed and fear and all these extra things that end up then disturbing the balance.

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But I do think that there’s one part, what does life offer you, what is, what is, like, afforded to you, and then the other part is, what do I do with that?

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And what do I do with that, where does that take you?

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Because for example, it wasn’t until I started working closely with plants that I was given opportunities to be more in the garden, to butcher an animal myself, to, for example, raise, have p- have, you know, animals at home that we would raise and that then we would slaughter once a year.

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Like, I had to, I- I sure that had to attract that opportunity, and I felt like when it was offered to me, I could have walked away and been like, “No, no, no, I don’t do that,” and I was the opposite.

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I was like, “You know what?

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I’m gonna put my money where my mouth is.”

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Because if I’m gonna eat these plants, if I’m gonna eat these animals, I need to know what it’s like, and I need to know what it’s like to take that life in this relationship.

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Mm-hmm.

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I need to do the ritual to make sure that the plants, uh, or the animal and I are in synchronicity.

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And then I need to make sure that once we’re harmonized, I’m, I’m looking in the, straight in the eyes and I’m saying, you know, and I’m feeling for a response.

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Like, “Yes, this is 0 an okay thing.”

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And I think that a lot of hunters do say that, right, that they have that split second where it’s almost as if the animal knows and they, they’re like, there’s like a moment of click, “Okay, this is gonna happen right now.”

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And I see it here because we have a lot of wild boar, so we have a lot of wild boar hunters, and I’ve seen both sides of the fence.

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The kind that, like, like you said, like, their grandparents taught them and everything that happens, and then those that are extremely disrespectful and you’re just sitting there going, “Why?”

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th- “Let’s keep you off our property, because that’s not exactly what we want and we don’t want that kind of energy in it.”

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But I do think that there is the, I get offered something and then if I choose to go towards a path of evolution, I take that and I then multiply it by attracting what it is that I need in order to live that lifestyle and to be able to live in that authentic kind of response.

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I don’t even know if I made any sense with that.

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Hopefully it did.

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Yeah, it did.

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You know, I, um, I lived in a city, um, about 3 hours from here for 17 or 18 years when my kids were young.

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That’s kind of where we ended up, you know, settling, and I- and I worked out of there.

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And I, I didn’t put the effort in to live the type of life that I lead now.

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Uh, in that, you know, there were some great butcher shops there and everything, but I didn’t, I just got my meat from wherever I could buy it from, or from a buddy that I could, and/or vegetables, same as well.

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I shopped at the supermarket, you know.

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Couldn’t always make the farmer’s market and so on and so forth.

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And I mean, there’s

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I- I didn’t wreck anything, um, but I did really notice that when I had the opportunity to get out of the city, now when I did move back to, I live back right beside the farm now, uh, bought a place back around here, and I did really notice when I moved back here that whoo, I was a little

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I was out of, my nervous system was out of whack.

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It was not regulated.

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It is not like it is when I am here now.

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And, you know, I just look back at that and I’m like, “There was nothing wrong with the life.”

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I’d have never known the difference had I not moved back

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You know, I d- I, but it very much- Right.

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came back into sync when I moved here and started planting trees, you know.

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The, I had kind of a

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a barren land and there’s wind down here and, you know, I live in the prairies.

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So I started planting trees and then you just, you catch yourself being like, “Oh, yeah.

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Here, here I am back here, you know, with my fingers in the dirt.”

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And what a noticeable difference.

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And that kind of started me asking other questions about other things, about the employment that I had taken back on, about my nervous system in general.

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And I’m like, “How come this is so much more my shoulders just drop and this is me here now?

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So what else is out of alignment?”

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Or, and I guess that’s the best way I can put it.

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What else is out of alignment?

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What else?

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And I really started listening to my body again, and, and getting intrigued by things and getting curious about stuff.

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It’s just like, “Hmm, this never used to bother me and now that I’m back here it, it seems to, you know

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And what, where in my body is it agitating me?

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Where in my nervous system am I at?”

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And taking the time to sit with that.

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And that kind of is what started me back to finding myself again, you know.

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As cheesy or cliche as that might sound, moving back here got me back on that path that, man, I once was and I want to be again.

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So what other small minute changes do I need to make in my, in my external conscious world to get back to, to where I was and where I wanna be, for that

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I have to do a little aside about the whole cliche because

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So I’m somebody who tends to avoid cliches.

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Like, I’m like, “Oh, no, I don’t want to, I don’t want to be a cliche,” you know.

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“I wanna be unique and original.”

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And a few years back I was, I was with, uh, in, in Damanhur we have these, uh, spiritual research groups that we pick topics and we research them for a year, and sometimes the group keeps going year after year.

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And I was in this wonderful group that was all connected to the plants, and each one of us was doing research.

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I was doing research into understanding, um, like, the subtle, subtle body of imagination, working very closely with a little plant that’s right behind me, for those that are watching the video.

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And, um, anyway, so we, we were each doing research.

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One was working with an avocado, one was working with a ficus, one was working

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Eh, each one of us working with our plants.

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And in the end, I’m here thinking, you know, we’re gonna end up in this massive revelation, each one of us kind of approaching things in different ways.

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Oh my goodness.

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The last meeting that we had as we were writing up our thesis and we were trying to like, you know, put, culminate all of what we had cre- what we had researched over the year and what we had studied and understood, it all came back to unconditional love.

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And I was like, “Oh my God, it’s like Kumbaya, like, unconditional love.”

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And I was just like, I was expecting, you know, big words of insights of, you know, oh, the answers of the universe.

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And in the end we did get them, but the fricking answer to the universe is just unconditional love.

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And, and I was just sitting there like both disappointed at first, you know, ’cause I was like, “What the hell?”

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And then like the penny dropped, and all of a sudden I understood.

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I was like, “It’s not about finding some fancy, you know, words, and it’s not a, a dissertation from a university where you have to get points by how big the word that you put into it is.”

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It really is about that.

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It’s about, like you said, that self-love, that understanding my body and having complete unconditional love and listening to myself, and then having that unconditional love.

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Which, in my opinion, when you do get there, that’s the curiosity, the awe, the wonder, the like, “Why is that happening?

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Where’s that coming from?”

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Even if it’s something that seems horrible, but instead of being mad at it you’re like, “I wonder why I’m feeling that thing.

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Like, what the heck?”

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And then you go down that rabbit hole that helps you understand it.

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So on that note, I’m so curious how you ended up at, you know, psilocybin.

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Like, like where does that come into this whole big picture?

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Yeah, yeah.

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There, uh, we’re creeping up on the TSN turning point now, I guess you could say.

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But yeah, uh, so in- Yeah, yeah.

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So in, uh

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I won’t, I won’t tell the whole story again, but again, the, the moving back, uh, to where I grew up and, and moving back to my acreage and just being, having time.

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By this time my kids had grown up and moved on to be the successful, beautiful people that I am so proud to say are a part of my, you know, my family.

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And they had moved on and I had had, uh, I had the time to, you know, again, back to planting trees and doing stuff and, and being on the farm.

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And I started kind of being regulated and exploring, just like you had spoke.

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“Why am I feeling this way?

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Why, why is this off?

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Why”

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And, and having the time to not, you know, bustling kids around, to help make sure the kids were at work, helping my son fix his car, getting my daughter to cheer and, you know, going to jujitsu and taekwondo lessons and so on and so forth, I really had the time to sit and be like, “Why does this bother me so much?

343
00:31:13,219 –> 00:31:16,019
Why is this, you know, the thing, and, and where is it?”

344
00:31:16,019 –> 00:31:20,619
So I started, uh, getting back and I kinda dropped off my fitness regime for a bit.

345
00:31:20,619 –> 00:31:22,419
So, um, my sister lives back here.

346
00:31:22,419 –> 00:31:26,099
She’s a trainer and, uh, a yoga instructor and so on and so forth.

347
00:31:26,099 –> 00:31:41,679
And so I started hiking with, and exercising with her and really working on my, you know, my physical body in which, you know, when you feel good and your body feels good and you, you take the time for yourself and you invest in yourself, you start, you know, noticing things.

348
00:31:41,679 –> 00:31:52,999
And of course, my eating was nice and clean moving back to the farm, you know, eating asparagus out of the ditch and just eating local stuff sourced from my buddies’ farms and so on and so forth.

349
00:31:52,999 –> 00:31:57,199
So anyway, I’m back in alignment, or on my way, and feeling like, “Ah.”

350
00:31:57,199 –> 00:32:01,759
And I started reading again, which is something that had kind of fallen off the, the map.

351
00:32:01,759 –> 00:32:06,119
And I, uh, like I’d mentioned before, I’m a big Alan Watts fan.

352
00:32:06,119 –> 00:32:09,439
You know, uh, he’s the older version of a George Carlin.

353
00:32:09,439 –> 00:32:12,599
I feel like, you know, they point out all these obvious things-

354
00:32:13,619 –> 00:32:15,819
and about them and make you laugh.

355
00:32:15,819 –> 00:32:17,439
And- You just dated us.

356
00:32:17,439 –> 00:32:18,559
You dated us-

357
00:32:18,559 –> 00:32:19,806
so much.

358
00:32:20,399 –> 00:32:22,939
I think my hairline dates me, so it doesn’t matter to me.

359
00:32:22,939 –> 00:32:24,199
It’s okay.

360
00:32:24,199 –> 00:32:25,999
So, uh, I started- Oh.

361
00:32:25,999 –> 00:32:29,819
I actually saw one of George Carlin’s final performances.

362
00:32:29,819 –> 00:32:29,999
Oh.

363
00:32:29,999 –> 00:32:31,059
So I totally

364
00:32:31,059 –> 00:32:32,139.00000000023283
It was great.

365
00:32:32,139.00000000023283 –> 00:32:32,999
I love him, you know.

366
00:32:32,999 –> 00:32:35,059
And, and I, you know- Love him.

367
00:32:35,059 –> 00:32:36,039
Yeah, yeah, I do.

368
00:32:36,039 –> 00:32:37,359
And he was like, you know

369
00:32:37,359 –> 00:32:43,119
It, it was a person that just pointed things out that made you laugh, that were just so clearly out there.

370
00:32:43,119 –> 00:32:50,439
So I started reading again and then I got into some, uh, some reading that wasn’t really up my alley, like David Hawkins, I had mentioned again, you know.

371
00:32:50,439 –> 00:32:59,499
He speaks a lot about consciousness and vibration and, and, you know, and he talks about how you build an ecosystem, how it kind of starts at a, the base vibration.

372
00:32:59,499 –> 00:33:07,779
And so I started reading about this type of stuff and, um, I, uh, met a, a woman that I’m still involved with and we started

373
00:33:07,779 –> 00:33:10,359
You know, we had very similar reading interests and interests.

374
00:33:10,359 –> 00:33:19,679
And she had ended up finding, uh, a, a clinic that was offering hypnotherapy, uh, like, training, I guess.

375
00:33:19,679 –> 00:33:20,839
It was like a, a cohort.

376
00:33:20,839 –> 00:33:23,319
It’s like, “Hey, I’ve been doing this for however many years.

377
00:33:23,319 –> 00:33:24,919
Clinic’s coming up on 10 years.

378
00:33:24,919 –> 00:33:27,779
I’m thinking about maybe expanding if there’s any interest in this.”

379
00:33:27,779 –> 00:33:33,899
Uh, we connected with this fellow, really hit it off with him, very much on the, the same, you know, mindset.

380
00:33:33,899 –> 00:33:38,759
And so we took this course and, and, and with this, we

381
00:33:38,759 –> 00:33:45,232
As we started exploring, uh, consciousness and so on and so forth, psilocybin just kind of fell into it.

382
00:33:46,099 –> 00:33:53,719
When you’re grounded and you’re looking, it f- came to us as an invitation to, “This is what’s available,” you know.

383
00:33:53,719 –> 00:33:57,999
“This can put a wedge in the door and open up as to what’s available to you.”

384
00:33:57,999 –> 00:34:01,919
And I am gonna preface this with I am, again, a cliché.

385
00:34:01,919 –> 00:34:08,159
I had an experience with mushrooms when I was in my 20s, set and setting, neither one of them were good.

386
00:34:08,159 –> 00:34:09,299
Uh, I had a bad experience.

387
00:34:09,299 –> 00:34:11,679
It was like, “Nope, I’m good.

388
00:34:11,679 –> 00:34:13,978.9999999997672
I don’t, I don’t need to do that ever again.”

389
00:34:13,978.9999999997672 –> 00:34:20,719
So fast forward to, uh, you know, 25 years later and, you know, I had felt this calling.

390
00:34:20,719 –> 00:34:23,438.99999999976717
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391
00:34:23,438.99999999976717 –> 00:34:28,784
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392
00:34:29,779 –> 00:34:35,239
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393
00:34:35,239 –> 00:34:44,208
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394
00:34:44,879 –> 00:34:53,840.0000000002328
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395
00:34:54,338.00000000023283 –> 00:34:56,272
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396
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399
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400
00:35:24,162 –> 00:35:31,550
We’re both into the same things and so, uh, we continued our, our reading and, and meditation and exercise and everything.

401
00:35:32,259 –> 00:35:38,719
Life was good and, uh, we ran into a fellow that was, uh, teaching a hypnotherapy, uh, course.

402
00:35:38,719 –> 00:35:44,319
And we decided, you know, “Hey, this is something that is interesting for both of us.”

403
00:35:44,319 –> 00:35:46,219
It’s a lot of personal development.

404
00:35:46,219 –> 00:35:53,579
It, you know, it dives right into the, the unconscious mind and that’s, you know, where I was at and, and looking to explore more.

405
00:35:53,579 –> 00:35:59,939
So, uh, we decided, you know, this is something we can do individually and together, uh, and it’s gonna be super fun.

406
00:35:59,939 –> 00:36:05,439
So we were doing it and, and it led us down all sorts of, you know, reading and exploring the unconscious mind.

407
00:36:05,439 –> 00:36:14,064
We got our certification for hypnotherapy, which has been amazing, and in doing that, we started, uh, working with individuals, uh, grounding.

408
00:36:14,600 –> 00:36:15,759
to get yourself grounded.

409
00:36:15,759 –> 00:36:22,079
You d- You know, uh, anyone that’s gone into any type of an experience or even a business meeting, you wanna go in with an intention.

410
00:36:22,079 –> 00:36:25,979
A grounded intention is that, “This is why I’m, I’m going in to discuss this.

411
00:36:25,979 –> 00:36:27,739
I’m going in to deal with that.”

412
00:36:27,739 –> 00:36:29,960
So I, after- Mm-hmm.

413
00:36:29,960 –> 00:36:39,919
you know, I had had an experience with psilocybin when I was in my early 20s, horrible set and setting, you know, the, the, again, the clichy, cliche textbook- Yeah, I don’t need to ever do that again.

414
00:36:39,919 –> 00:36:44,720.0000000004657
Um, so fast forward 25 years- And I was nervous.

415
00:36:44,720.0000000004657 –> 00:36:45,800
And I’m like, “But you know what?

416
00:36:45,800 –> 00:36:52,464
For whatever reason, I feel like now I’m asking, I’m asking, and this keeps presenting itself.”

417
00:36:53,399 –> 00:37:04,766
So with an experienced sitter, um, after a hypnotherapy session, you know, uh, about a week before, I was very grounded, and going in with the intention of, is this itch?

418
00:37:05,339 –> 00:37:06,999
What is this that I’m looking for?”

419
00:37:06,999 –> 00:37:10,499
I’m, uh, you know, I was at the stage where I was reading all the books.

420
00:37:10,499 –> 00:37:12,279
I was chasing, you know

421
00:37:12,279 –> 00:37:13,399
I wanna know the answer.

422
00:37:13,399 –> 00:37:14,399
What is the point of this?

423
00:37:14,399 –> 00:37:15,579
What is the point of everything?

424
00:37:15,579 –> 00:37:17,379
Why, why this, why that?

425
00:37:17,379 –> 00:37:21,079
Had all these questions, so I went in with the, you know, “What is the point?

426
00:37:21,079 –> 00:37:24,359
Show me what, what’s available to us.”

427
00:37:24,359 –> 00:37:34,384
And, uh, so I did this big journey, uh, with, uh, sound therapy as well, so again, back to vibration and frequency, you know, sound is very important and, uh

428
00:37:35,659 –> 00:37:42,419
So I do this big breakthrough, uh, journey, and I was so clearly shown, you know, I had

429
00:37:42,419 –> 00:37:44,239
Again, I’m asking, “Show it to me.

430
00:37:44,239 –> 00:37:44,739
Give it to me.

431
00:37:44,739 –> 00:37:45,619
Show me the consciousness.

432
00:37:45,619 –> 00:37:46,659
I want all this.”

433
00:37:46,659 –> 00:37:55,839
And I was so clearly at 1 point shown by the, the medicine, it’s all available to you if you want it.

434
00:37:55,839 –> 00:37:57,104
It’s all right here.

435
00:37:58,419 –> 00:38:05,019
But the entire point of being here is to be human and to just be, so you should work on that.

436
00:38:05,019 –> 00:38:09,040
You should just be and learn your surroundings.

437
00:38:09,619 –> 00:38:13,259
You know, learn what being human is, what being fully human is.

438
00:38:13,259 –> 00:38:14,259
That’s the point.

439
00:38:14,259 –> 00:38:19,439
And right then and there, I just, uh, you know, there, it’s, it was just a big switch.

440
00:38:19,439 –> 00:38:22,559
It’s like, “Yeah, I just need to idle down and just be.”

441
00:38:22,559 –> 00:38:24,879
And, uh, I haven’t done the medicine since.

442
00:38:24,879 –> 00:38:27,899
That was 3 years ago, I think it was.

443
00:38:27,899 –> 00:38:32,839
Um, I don’t believe it’s something that you need to do continually, continually, continually.

444
00:38:32,839 –> 00:38:46,419
I think it is a- an amazing partner that can be utilized with, you know, intelligent conversation, conversations like this with, with like-minded people and intelligent people like yourself that can offer, “Hey, here’s my experience.”

445
00:38:46,419 –> 00:38:48,399
And I really think that’s the

446
00:38:48,399 –> 00:38:49,616
You know, it was

447
00:38:50,299 –> 00:38:53,439
came into my path to show me that, that, you know, there

448
00:38:53,439 –> 00:38:55,119
It’s not about escapism.

449
00:38:55,119 –> 00:38:56,538.9999999995343
It’s not about, you know

450
00:38:56,538.9999999995343 –> 00:38:59,299
People want to ascend, want to ascend, want to ascend.

451
00:38:59,299 –> 00:39:00,459
Well, we’re here.

452
00:39:00,459 –> 00:39:01,379
Like, let’s be human.

453
00:39:01,379 –> 00:39:05,659
Let’s, again, back to what you so eloquently put, let’s sit in these emotions.

454
00:39:05,659 –> 00:39:13,339
Let’s wonder why our body is bringing this feeling forward to us, and, you know, and sit in it and explore what being human is.

455
00:39:13,339 –> 00:39:24,019
And, and being human, I think a h- in huge part is, you know, being in homeostasis, being in, being one with everything else that is.

456
00:39:24,019 –> 00:39:25,719
You know, we’re all connected.

457
00:39:25,719 –> 00:39:26,739
Everything is connected.

458
00:39:26,739 –> 00:39:44,199
That was something that was clearly shown to me by the medicine as well is that, you know, and, and that’s reported in so many different journeys, whether it’s iboga or ayahuasca or, or plant medicine, or even people that smoke weed all the time, you know, talk about feeling part of something bigger, feeling connected.

459
00:39:44,199 –> 00:39:52,119
And, you know, and that, you know, kept bringing itself into every aspect of, of what I was looking for.

460
00:39:52,119 –> 00:39:58,459
So now I am comfortable in sitting with that, you know, to realize that, you know, I’m connected to all this stuff.

461
00:39:58,459 –> 00:40:03,819
And it brings itself up in my day-to-day life, you know, in the garden when I’m planting a tree.

462
00:40:03,819 –> 00:40:08,479.00000000046566
It, if nothing else, it makes me curious as to, you know, what’s this all about?

463
00:40:08,479.00000000046566 –> 00:40:16,439
And I, I used to get, not overwhelmed by it, but wanna go down the path, just like you said, read all the books and write about this and do all that and have all the conversations.

464
00:40:16,439 –> 00:40:26,224
Whereas now I can comfortably believe when I’m, when I’m putting a tree in the ground and making sure that not too much oxygen gets on the roots and packing it properly and making sure everything’s got water, I’m just like, “Hmm.

465
00:40:27,319 –> 00:40:28,599
Isn’t this interesting?”

466
00:40:28,599 –> 00:40:32,439
You know, “What i- i- this is amazing that this is just happening, you know.

467
00:40:32,439 –> 00:40:37,599
You put something in the ground, you put water on it, and how am I connected to this and how is your energy different?”

468
00:40:37,599 –> 00:40:39,248
And it just makes me smile all the time

469
00:40:40,040 –> 00:40:45,239
So, you know, that was a very interesting experience that I’d have, I’d have never guessed.

470
00:40:45,239 –> 00:40:46,672
10 year ago me would have been,

471
00:40:48,139 –> 00:40:48,579
You know?

472
00:40:48,579 –> 00:40:51,664
But it’s just when something calls, there’s a reason.

473
00:40:54,680 –> 00:40:57,539
am so in love with every word you just said.

474
00:40:57,539 –> 00:41:26,919
You can’t even imagine it, because I feel like you have touched on what I call the essence of plantness, which is the being part, and that the true, um, understanding of what it means to be human is knowing and feeling super comfortable with when to act through our animalness, when to be through our plantness, you know, when to

475
00:41:26,919 –> 00:41:28,139
and all these other pieces.

476
00:41:28,139 –> 00:41:28,912
And it’s about

477
00:41:30,499 –> 00:41:38,359
I- it’s only in the stillness of that presence, of that, like, “I am gonna be fully present to whatever the experience is, and I’m going to”

478
00:41:38,359 –> 00:41:44,099
And I love that you had such an open-ended question, which is, “Okay, what is the experience that I’m here for?”

479
00:41:44,099 –> 00:41:46,739
Like, “What is it that I’m supposed to be learning in this?

480
00:41:46,739 –> 00:41:48,739
What is it that I need next?”

481
00:41:48,739 –> 00:41:50,779
Like, “What is that piece?”

482
00:41:50,779 –> 00:41:54,879
And that, you know, the answer was about learning what it means to be human.

483
00:41:54,879 –> 00:42:12,464
And I think that’s such a beautiful kind of segue from some of the previous guests that I’ve had that we’ve been putting together this kind of understanding, weaving through together all this understanding of, we live in this disconnection, right, this disconnection to our, our true nature, to the fact that we are nature.

484
00:42:13,259 –> 00:42:25,599
And then fast-forward into learning what it means to be human is learning that we are nature, that we are connected, that I can just be in the moment, and that that is also part

485
00:42:25,599 –> 00:42:29,139
It’s also all the other elements that you brought about before, right?

486
00:42:29,139 –> 00:42:39,379
My interaction with the animals and with other humans, my interaction with plants, my ability to be in my body and to really feel my body.

487
00:42:39,379 –> 00:42:52,299
And I also would say, so recently, personally, I’m doing this work of trying to understand what does it mean, what is the, the, what does femininity really mean from, as an energy force?

488
00:42:52,299 –> 00:42:54,079
Like, what is the feminine?

489
00:42:54,079 –> 00:43:07,839
And I’m starting to realize that the feminine is about that, that care, and that we have kind of labeled it as all these other things, but it really is about that care.

490
00:43:07,839 –> 00:43:22,619
And so whether or not you’re, how to care for self, how to care for others, how to care in a way that is healthy, and also from an energetic and like from a Kabbalistic perspective, the feminine is the, the severe one.

491
00:43:22,619 –> 00:43:25,999
Justice is carried out by a feminine sword, right?

492
00:43:25,999 –> 00:43:38,959
So the care is also I have to punish you or I have to, you know, wield that sort of justice, whether it’s for protection of my s- of, of the, those around me or protection of the greater good.

493
00:43:38,959 –> 00:43:47,499
And I feel like all of these different elements, as you said, the natural world has a, a, a much better take on, right?

494
00:43:47,499 –> 00:44:07,179
Like yes, uh, a forest is also a war zone, but not a war zone because I wanna grow big and take up all the space and I wanna hog up other resources, but a war zone because, hey, I need to keep you in check, because if you go out of bounds and then I need to do this thing and then you need to do this thing, and so there’s like this kind of reciprocal warring.

495
00:44:07,179 –> 00:44:08,939
And we see this in the, in the plant world.

496
00:44:08,939 –> 00:44:11,079
I mean, we see this on the animal world as well.

497
00:44:11,079 –> 00:44:16,919
Like, 2 rams or, or 2 deer or whatever are not gonna continuously fight.

498
00:44:16,919 –> 00:44:23,599
They’re only gonna fight when it’s necessary until whatever needs to get resolved, and then they’ll go about their merry way.

499
00:44:23,599 –> 00:44:38,859
And I think that learning what it’s like to be human is such a, is about f- stepping into all of these natural rhythms and taking away all the conditioned responses we have that says, “Oh, when you do that, that’s wrong,” or, “When you do this, it’s wrong.”

500
00:44:38,859 –> 00:44:39,419
It’s like, no.

501
00:44:39,419 –> 00:44:47,568
It’s like, let me find the context in which this, even if it’s harsh or severe or whatever it is, is the right thing to do.

502
00:44:48,359 –> 00:44:52,779
It’s not coming from a place of, like, egotism, like egoism or whatever.

503
00:44:52,779 –> 00:44:56,239
It’s coming from, “This is the right thing to do.

504
00:44:56,239 –> 00:45:09,584
This is what the ecosystem needs, and this is what my consciousness requires for me to be in that state of, you know, evolution and of, of being-ness with everything else around me.”

505
00:45:10,479 –> 00:45:11,839
Okay, I just went really philosophical.

506
00:45:11,839 –> 00:45:13,559
But it’s just like, it’s like so there-

507
00:45:13,559 –> 00:45:14,199
in my body.

508
00:45:14,199 –> 00:45:17,639
It’s like I’m looking for all the right words to put it together.

509
00:45:17,639 –> 00:45:20,959
No, it, it, it’s awesome, ’cause it, it is, you know?

510
00:45:20,959 –> 00:45:27,699
It, the, you don’t need a book or you don’t need an instructor to tell you what’s right or wrong.

511
00:45:27,699 –> 00:45:34,959
If you are being present when you have your hands on something, when you’re about to do something, you know what right or wrong is.

512
00:45:34,959 –> 00:45:36,399
You, there doesn’t need to be.

513
00:45:36,399 –> 00:45:38,399
You, you know, that’s intuition.

514
00:45:38,399 –> 00:45:43,159
Uh, and you know, I, uh, I can get very phy- philosophical as well.

515
00:45:43,159 –> 00:45:44,538.9999999995343
I would say that that’s connection.

516
00:45:44,538.9999999995343 –> 00:45:45,759
Y- yeah, right?

517
00:45:45,759 –> 00:45:47,139
A- and it’s a remembering.

518
00:45:47,139 –> 00:45:52,159
It’s not so much that you’re, you’re moving forward or you’re evolving into something.

519
00:45:52,159 –> 00:45:54,279
You’re remembering like, “Oh, yeah.

520
00:45:54,279 –> 00:45:55,519
I’m capable of”

521
00:45:55,519 –> 00:45:57,379
I, I actually had all this intuition.

522
00:45:57,379 –> 00:46:03,179
I had all of this humanity, or whatever word you wanna s- you know, build for that.

523
00:46:03,179 –> 00:46:05,904
I had all that when I got here and I lost it.

524
00:46:06,439 –> 00:46:14,299
you know, chasing this or chasing that or, or you know, or my ego pushed it out of the way, or whatever it was, whatever anybody’s story is.

525
00:46:14,299 –> 00:46:15,499
You know, and it’s a remembering.

526
00:46:15,499 –> 00:46:16,459
You’re like, “Oh, yeah.

527
00:46:16,459 –> 00:46:19,280
I can remember,” because, uh, we’ve spoke before.

528
00:46:20,38.99999999953434 –> 00:46:24,579
Now, I was on the farm, I grew up here, I left, I came back, and I’m like, “Oh, yeah.”

529
00:46:24,579 –> 00:46:25,560
You know, that’s a remembering.

530
00:46:25,560 –> 00:46:28,579
It’s no different when you can feel that intuition, when you can

531
00:46:28,579 –> 00:46:30,939
And, you know, people might wanna get off.

532
00:46:30,939 –> 00:46:39,339
‘Cause I worked in the corporate world, I worked in construction, I worked in the corporate rual- world, I worked downtown, I worked in offices, you know, at a managerial and a supervisory level.

533
00:46:39,339 –> 00:46:52,339
And, you know, people could, could say, “Oh, that’s all woo-woo, that’s all this, that’s all that,” but if you can get connected and remember what you’re capable of as a human, y- you can leverage that in all parts of your life.

534
00:46:52,339 –> 00:46:54,672
I mean, anybody that’s ever been in a boardroom-

535
00:46:55,560 –> 00:47:06,619
with a bunch of people talking and one person says something and you can see the whole room go, “Ooh,” w- how is that any different than being able to be in tune to your surroundings and nature?

536
00:47:06,619 –> 00:47:12,519
You know, you could ev- the whole room could be like, “Ooh, Joe, you know, we don’t say that,” so like the energy of the room changes.

537
00:47:12,519 –> 00:47:14,959
So, how is that any different, you know?

538
00:47:14,959 –> 00:47:15,379
You can be- Mm-hmm.

539
00:47:15,379 –> 00:47:23,699
tuned into it in that and, you know, there is a lot of stigma, you know, when it comes to the blue collar and the white collar that a lot of this stuff is, again, I’ll use that term, woo-woo.

540
00:47:23,699 –> 00:47:30,799
But if you wanna forget that, you’re doing yourself a disservice, that, you know, it, again, being fully human is being able to be- Exactly.

541
00:47:30,799 –> 00:47:33,999
in tune with your body, feel it, feel other people’s energy.

542
00:47:33,999 –> 00:47:40,976
You know, e- everybody knows what it’s like, but you, you push it away or you write it off as, as something else, something that isn’t.

543
00:47:41,519 –> 00:47:59,959
But, you know, um, a- and this comes back to me stammering as to saying I’m an individual because the, when you, when you’re outside, when you connect to your intuition, when you are truly, you know, being human and allowing yourself to, to feel things, you are

544
00:47:59,959 –> 00:48:03,499
It is important to be a distinct part of the whole.

545
00:48:03,499 –> 00:48:10,639
You know, everybody’s got their things, everybody’s got their special, their gifts, or everybody’s got a talent that they, you know, they really have been chasing.

546
00:48:10,639 –> 00:48:14,419
We’re, I think we’re all capable of having all of these gifts.

547
00:48:14,419 –> 00:48:20,679
But, you know, if, if you feel supported in one thing, you might chase it a little more and develop it a little bit more.

548
00:48:20,679 –> 00:48:26,359
And, you know, that makes you distinct part, uh, but still part of the whole.

549
00:48:26,359 –> 00:48:30,099
You know, it’s right back to the, I think it’s the- Exactly.

550
00:48:30,099 –> 00:48:35,999
Yeah, I- I can’t remember what culture it is that speaks about, you know, the, the sea of consciousness is the ocean and we are but a droplet.

551
00:48:35,999 –> 00:48:39,479.00000000046566
You know, we, there is, something happens, we leave- Mm-hmm.

552
00:48:39,479.00000000046566 –> 00:48:48,239
we have our, our experience as a distinct portion, but you eventually return to the whole, meaning that you’re still surrounded by everything.

553
00:48:48,239 –> 00:48:53,619
You never really left and you return to it again, but you do have your individual s- you know- Right.

554
00:48:53,619 –> 00:48:56,299
individualistic arc and experience in it.

555
00:48:56,299 –> 00:49:00,359
So, again, I got a little off the rails there with the, with the whole thing.

556
00:49:00,359 –> 00:49:07,279
But I think that that is, that is important, you know, that it is a remembering and we’re allowed to have these human experiences.

557
00:49:07,279 –> 00:49:12,719
You know, we have instincts just like animals do, but we choose to ignore it, you know.

558
00:49:12,719 –> 00:49:20,624
Um, uh, uh, my hunter buddies, you know, they used to tell me they weren’t all off the rails when it came to all human consciousness, but they’d be like, “That animal”

559
00:49:21,819 –> 00:49:23,419
It, it’s what you’re doing here.

560
00:49:23,419 –> 00:49:26,219
You have to be centered and grounded to go do this properly.

561
00:49:26,219 –> 00:49:26,339
Mm-hmm.

562
00:49:26,339 –> 00:49:29,119
Because that animal, everyone thinks it’s smell.

563
00:49:29,119 –> 00:49:30,679
It’s not always smell.

564
00:49:30,679 –> 00:49:36,519
You know, you can be looking through a scope a long ways away or you can be walking around the corner and surprise

565
00:49:36,519 –> 00:49:37,679
I live on my acreage.

566
00:49:37,679 –> 00:49:45,78.99999999953434
I’ll walk around the corner and surprise a badger, you know, and there’s an immediate response when their back is to you and they’re 50 feet away.

567
00:49:45,78.99999999953434 –> 00:49:45,919
They don’t smell you.

568
00:49:45,919 –> 00:49:48,879
Like, yes, they do have the sense of smell, but there’s more going on.

569
00:49:48,879 –> 00:49:52,199
There’s an energy that I’m emitting that, you know, if I’m scared- Right.

570
00:49:52,199 –> 00:49:56,379
and surprised, it’s going to send shockwaves through the air, you know.

571
00:49:56,379 –> 00:50:01,219
A good example of that is that waves, you know, in water, we’re made mostly of water.

572
00:50:01,219 –> 00:50:08,939
If you look at a big body of water and there’s waves and there’s a buoy out there or there’s a leaf on the water, that leaf is going up and down.

573
00:50:08,939 –> 00:50:10,379
It, the water is not moving.

574
00:50:10,379 –> 00:50:12,839
The water is showing you that the energy is there.

575
00:50:12,839 –> 00:50:15,659
And it doesn’t end when it hits the land, you know.

576
00:50:15,659 –> 00:50:15,899
So- Mm-hmm.

577
00:50:15,899 –> 00:50:23,000
there’s a lot to be said about how energy goes through the air, how it goes through water, how it is emitted from us, you know.

578
00:50:23,000 –> 00:50:30,260
Animals- horses have one of the biggest electromagnetic frequencies of any of the mammals in the world around their heart.

579
00:50:30,260 –> 00:50:31,539
They’re very healing animals.

580
00:50:31,539 –> 00:50:33,919
They’re- they know, you know?

581
00:50:33,919 –> 00:50:35,319
Dogs know.

582
00:50:35,319 –> 00:50:39,279
They- they don’t speak English, but they know by tone, they know by your mannerism.

583
00:50:39,279 –> 00:50:43,000
Your dogs know when you’re sad, they know when you’re happy because they are too.

584
00:50:43,000 –> 00:50:48,360
So if you could tune into that and utilize that, it doesn’t end just with household pets, you know?

585
00:50:48,360 –> 00:50:52,039
And- and this goes back to, again, the garden.

586
00:50:52,039 –> 00:51:01,999
When you’re in the garden and you’re in your happy place and you’re doing your things, you can’t tell me that that doesn’t transfer over to that Roma tomato that you’re gonna put into your body in a month.

587
00:51:01,999 –> 00:51:08,739
And when you’re so happy and you watch it grow from a blossom and you bring it, you can’t tell me that that’s not the best damn meal you’ve ever had.

588
00:51:08,739 –> 00:51:10,750
Yeah, the life that that tomato is gonna have.

589
00:51:11,739 –> 00:51:12,659
Absolutely.

590
00:51:12,659 –> 00:51:12,912
Yeah, yeah.

591
00:51:13,879 –> 00:51:14,539
Absolutely.

592
00:51:14,539 –> 00:51:15,379
I love that.

593
00:51:15,379 –> 00:51:18,599
I love that ’cause you’ve touched on so many different aspects.

594
00:51:18,599 –> 00:51:32,799
You’ve touched on the fact of why I did my, uh, my Reawaken Lost Senses, you know, workshop, which is, and why I work so much with the senses, because like you said, we as humans, we focus on these five, and we think that everything is just limited to these 5.

595
00:51:32,799 –> 00:51:39,259
But the electromagnetic field that we emit is basically what others- what the woo world calls your aura.

596
00:51:39,259 –> 00:51:47,459
We emit it, it’s there, it’s- it’s- it’s- goes from very small to very big and others sense it, and we also can sense through it.

597
00:51:47,459 –> 00:52:14,559
There are so many senses that we get feelings and understandings from, but because we’re not tuned into them, we don’t know how to relate to them, we don’t know how to name them and therefore we ignore them, and that’s that piece of intuition where when you really tap into your intuition, what you’re tapping into is all these other senses that we have that all the other beings around us also have and that that’s our independent yet interrelated, right?

598
00:52:14,559 –> 00:52:23,579
We are distinguished indivi- independent beings, and yet at the same time completely indig- interrelated with all of the other beings around us.

599
00:52:23,579 –> 00:52:34,199
And I think that this is such- that is what it means to be human, because as a human, I’m part of animal, and animals are one world and, uh, the plants are another world, and nature spirits are another world.

600
00:52:34,199 –> 00:52:41,839
And it doesn’t matter whether you go down bacteria or whether you go down, you know, more etheric type beings, that’s not the point.

601
00:52:41,839 –> 00:52:55,299
What’s most important is those connections and that we allow ourselves to feel into them and to, you know, kind of, uh, work with them and use them, because if not, we’re not really being fully human.

602
00:52:55,299 –> 00:53:02,699
So I- I love that you’re, like, talking about remembering what it means to be fully human on every single level.

603
00:53:02,699 –> 00:53:04,560
It’s- it’s such an important message.

604
00:53:05,442 –> 00:53:10,079
As we wrap up this conversation, because if not, I feel like we’re gonna be here for hours and I’m loving it, I’m all for it- Yeah.

605
00:53:10,079 –> 00:53:13,839
but I, you know, I think it’s like one of those things.

606
00:53:13,839 –> 00:53:44,359
You- one of the other pieces that I just very want- briefly wanna touch on, because I have found this to be the case where the experience for you and how, like, working with this being, in the case of Psilopsyllium, like, we have them here on the mountains, they- they grow wild all around, and I, um, because part of our path here in Samadhir, we don’t necessarily ingest, um, any kind of psychoactive, uh, plants or other kinds or- or fungi in this particular case.

607
00:53:44,359 –> 00:54:02,579
And, um, but I have to say that even just, like, sitting near them on the mountain has its thing, like, there is stuff going on even just hanging around, like I can feel and I’ve tapped in in some ways, it’s been really an interesting experience and part of the experimentation.

608
00:54:02,579 –> 00:54:30,279
But I also find it really beautiful that you say, you know, you had this experience, it really opened you, it showed you a path, it did all these things, and now you even work, you know, you help others on their path through hypnotherapy as well as through plant medicine, and yet I love that you feel like it’s such an important thing that people should have the opportunity for, but from what I understand in our conversations, it’s not necessarily something that you continuously feel like you need to take because that’s not the point.

609
00:54:30,279 –> 00:54:45,538.9999999995343
The relationship with, you know, this being has already been set and therefore you can tap into it in other ways, and- and yet you also still wanna support the opportunity for others to be able to have this type of experience because, like, you- you can see the benefit of it.

610
00:54:45,538.9999999995343 –> 00:54:50,419
Can you just briefly kind of tell us a little bit more about what it is that you do as we wrap things up?

611
00:54:50,419 –> 00:54:54,379
‘Cause I really want people to be able to check out, you know, everything that you’re offering.

612
00:54:54,379 –> 00:54:55,439
Yeah, yeah.

613
00:54:55,439 –> 00:54:56,239
Thank you.

614
00:54:56,239 –> 00:55:03,739
Um, yeah, you are 100% correct, um, and- and I will preface the- like I said, this isn’t something that you need to do all the time.

615
00:55:03,739 –> 00:55:10,279
It is a wonderful invitation as to what’s available to every human on earth if they don’t know where to start.

616
00:55:10,279 –> 00:55:23,559
And, you know, a- a lot of the work that we have as individuals, I don’t know where to start, I could feel this itch, I’m trying to connect with everything, I don’t know what it is, uh, and I want to, but I don’t know where to start.

617
00:55:23,559 –> 00:55:27,339
And, you know, once you’ve had this type of experience, you don’t need

618
00:55:27,339 –> 00:55:30,399
i- if you know what’s available to it, you can access it whenever you want.

619
00:55:30,399 –> 00:55:37,719
Just like you said, you can sit i- in an area and- and be connected, it- it’s- it’s out there, you know?

620
00:55:37,719 –> 00:55:39,119
Um, and it’s available.

621
00:55:39,119 –> 00:55:47,799
So we, with our hypnotherapy ground individuals to go into a journey with a very regulated nervous system.

622
00:55:47,799 –> 00:56:06,119
Uh, a lo- uh, you know, if you’re like myself where you- you’ve only had one experience and it was not ideal, or if you have no idea what to expect, you wanna be able to make sure that you’re taking this mile wide journey that’s very shallow because there’s gonna be colors, there’s gonna be your conscious mind wanting to guide and wanting to steer you.

623
00:56:06,119 –> 00:56:08,647
We want individuals to go in with a very

624
00:56:08,647 –> 00:56:13,848
you know, a very narrowed, uh, mindset of, “I am going to explore this one thing.

625
00:56:13,848 –> 00:56:15,287
I’m going to keep on track.”

626
00:56:15,287 –> 00:56:16,688
Utilizing it as an anchor.

627
00:56:16,688 –> 00:56:18,928
So a hypnotherapy session can do that.

628
00:56:18,928 –> 00:56:23,487
You can set that anchor, “This is my intention,” so that when you’re in the medicine, you can be like, “Oh, yeah.

629
00:56:23,487 –> 00:56:24,507
This is why I’m here.”

630
00:56:24,507 –> 00:56:33,688
‘Cause we can set it right at the level of the unconscious mind so that when, you know, uh, when the medicine comes in, in your conscious mind as like, “This is not safe.

631
00:56:33,688 –> 00:56:38,087
I’m outta here,” your unconscious mind comes forward ’cause its only job is to keep you safe.

632
00:56:38,087 –> 00:56:40,648
And then embedded deeply in your unconscious mind is- Right.

633
00:56:40,648 –> 00:56:42,167
“I am here for this.”

634
00:56:42,167 –> 00:56:49,072
So therefore, your heart stays calm, your soul stays calm, and you can explore around into what it is that you’re looking for.

635
00:56:49,867 –> 00:57:04,207
And, uh, and then after people can have this, this, this breakthrough journey or this, this, uh, this, uh, experience, after they come down, we get them back into their body with, uh, you know, uh, lots of nutrition, fruit, and, and healthy eating.

636
00:57:04,207 –> 00:57:13,427
And then about a week later, we like to do another hypnotherapy session where we can bring the unconscious mind forward again and say, “What have you been noticing?

637
00:57:13,427 –> 00:57:16,007
What ha- what has changed, if anything?

638
00:57:16,007 –> 00:57:16,867
Has your experience

639
00:57:16,867 –> 00:57:22,647
Or do you want something to change because you’re noticing that, ‘I’m out of alignment with this, I’m out of alignment with that’?

640
00:57:22,647 –> 00:57:25,007
Uh, ‘Oh, I never even noticed this anymore.'” You know?

641
00:57:25,007 –> 00:57:27,207
What hasn’t changed that maybe you want to?

642
00:57:27,207 –> 00:57:29,247
And then we can reset that unconscious mind.

643
00:57:29,247 –> 00:57:33,607
You know, people wanna talk about the default, default mode network and so on and so forth.

644
00:57:33,607 –> 00:57:35,687
You know, your unconscious mind is yours.

645
00:57:35,687 –> 00:57:41,667
Uh, if you can bring it forward and you can basically write your script and say, “This is, you know

646
00:57:41,667 –> 00:57:43,767
I, I may have had a set of beliefs before.

647
00:57:43,767 –> 00:57:45,087
They were keeping me safe.

648
00:57:45,087 –> 00:57:46,346.99999999953434
They’re no longer serving me.

649
00:57:46,346.99999999953434 –> 00:57:48,247
They served their purpose, they kept me safe.

650
00:57:48,247 –> 00:57:51,487
Or perhaps they were formed in error due to trauma.

651
00:57:51,487 –> 00:57:54,587
I’m going to reset those and this is the way I want to proceed.

652
00:57:54,587 –> 00:57:59,007
I want to bring this forward and put it into my conscious, waking life of being human.”

653
00:57:59,007 –> 00:58:01,247
Again, it’s not about the escapism.

654
00:58:01,247 –> 00:58:14,007
It’s about bringing these, you know, these experiences forward into our conscious life and saying, “I want to proceed with this with a regulated nervous system, and this is how I wanna operate from here and here forward because this feels good.”

655
00:58:14,007 –> 00:58:18,707
You know, “I feel connected, I feel healthy, I feel strong, and I want this in my life.

656
00:58:18,707 –> 00:58:23,987
Not just as an experience, like a holiday that I took somewhere for a week and then I can talk about it.

657
00:58:23,987 –> 00:58:29,296
I want this to be carried forward with me, and this is, this is how I wanna operate as a person in my conscious experience.”

658
00:58:31,247 –> 00:58:32,067
So that’s what we do.

659
00:58:32,067 –> 00:58:33,027
I love that.

660
00:58:33,027 –> 00:58:33,187
Yeah.

661
00:58:33,187 –> 00:58:35,047
I love the whole thing.

662
00:58:35,047 –> 00:58:35,167
I love

663
00:58:35,167 –> 00:58:37,487
think that’s so fantastic.

664
00:58:37,487 –> 00:58:39,567
So it’s such a great way

665
00:58:39,567 –> 00:58:40,067
The, um

666
00:58:40,067 –> 00:58:47,568
I had another guest on the show who, um, he does a very similar thing, but he does it from the perspective of he works with a river.

667
00:58:48,327 –> 00:58:56,907
So he’s an eco, uh, an ecopsychologist, and he, um, also works with, uh, with, with psilocybin, and then he

668
00:58:56,907 –> 00:58:57,787.0000000004657
I think it’s psilocybin.

669
00:58:57,787.0000000004657 –> 00:58:58,587
Is that who he works with?

670
00:58:58,587 –> 00:58:59,386.99999999953434
Yeah, I think so.

671
00:58:59,386.99999999953434 –> 00:59:00,386.99999999953434
And then he works with the river.

672
00:59:00,386.99999999953434 –> 00:59:01,767
He takes people river rafting.

673
00:59:01,767 –> 00:59:05,467
Of course, obviously, it’s a multi-day experience ’cause you can’t, like- Yeah.

674
00:59:05,467 –> 00:59:06,567
take, you know.

675
00:59:06,567 –> 00:59:20,547
But it’s really interesting ’cause like you said, it’s, it is about for him, the river is, is that natural element in addition to the plant medicine to really move you through all of the different pieces that you just mentioned, and I think that that’s great.

676
00:59:20,547 –> 00:59:22,462
So where do people find

677
00:59:23,490 –> 00:59:26,707
Uh, they would find me at lifecraftt.me.

678
00:59:26,707 –> 00:59:33,367
Life Craft is the name of the clinic that I work through, and, uh, we are located in Cochrane, Alberta in Canada.

679
00:59:33,367 –> 00:59:37,86.00000000046566
So Life Craft, spelled just like it’s said, and dot-me.

680
00:59:37,886.9999999995343 –> 00:59:39,587
And then that has all the links.

681
00:59:39,587 –> 00:59:40,627
We do- Perfect.

682
00:59:40,627 –> 00:59:40,827
Yeah.

683
00:59:40,827 –> 00:59:48,907
We do ancestral eating, uh, non-vaccinated, organic, you know, forest raised, uh, meat and organic vegetables and everything.

684
00:59:48,907 –> 00:59:51,287.00000000046566
It’s a real, very holistic

685
00:59:51,287.00000000046566 –> 00:59:53,287.00000000046566
You know, it, it starts, it starts with here.

686
00:59:53,287.00000000046566 –> 00:59:54,627
It starts, you know, in here.

687
00:59:54,627 –> 00:59:57,047
You take care of everything in here, and you’re allowed- Yeah.

688
00:59:57,047 –> 00:59:58,227
to explore and see what’s available.

689
00:59:58,227 –> 01:00:01,627
And, and so, uh, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

690
01:00:01,627 –> 01:00:02,886.9999999995343
A great connection.

691
01:00:02,886.9999999995343 –> 01:00:03,614
Love what you’re doing.

692
01:00:05,327 –> 01:00:06,047
Likewise.

693
01:00:06,047 –> 01:00:06,846.9999999995343
I totally

694
01:00:06,846.9999999995343 –> 01:00:10,947
I’ve loved every single aspect, and I’ll make sure that I include all the show notes.

695
01:00:10,947 –> 01:00:19,307
Like, in the show notes, I include the link and all the information for people to be able to get in touch with you because I’m sure that also for people who maybe can’t get, you know

696
01:00:19,307 –> 01:00:28,939
Either they can travel to where you are, but also for some people, they might just want somebody who can help them make better decisions on like, “If I am gonna have this type of work done, you know, who do I go to?

697
01:00:28,939 –> 01:00:30,279
How do I- how do I do it?”

698
01:00:30,279 –> 01:00:40,599
And so I think that there- the amount of kind of embodied, literally embodied, uh, um, knowledge that you offer is so important.

699
01:00:40,599 –> 01:00:41,299
So, so important.

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01:00:41,299 –> 01:00:42,979
So thank you so much, Leighton.

701
01:00:42,979 –> 01:00:52,439
This has been a delightful conversation and I am extremely grateful for it, and I’m just really looking forward to everybody being able to hear this also.

702
01:00:52,439 –> 01:00:53,539
So thank you.

703
01:00:53,539 –> 01:00:54,040
Yeah, thanks lot.

704
01:00:54,040 –> 01:01:01,099
to everyone else out there, you know, these are exactly- these are exactly the types of conversations we wanna keep having.

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So if you liked it, please make sure that you like, you hit the like button, that you subscribe, that you follow, that you comment, that you share it.

706
01:01:08,880 –> 01:01:14,779
You know, all those things that make the algorithms really help others find exactly this type of material.

707
01:01:14,779 –> 01:01:28,819
And if you wanna continue this conversation, the Naturally Conscious community is the place for you, because that is the place where we are having these human and more than human, otherkin conversations, and really enhancing and co-creating these relationships.

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So head on over there.

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Everything you need is in the show notes.

710
01:01:32,180 –> 01:01:34,219
And that is it for this week.

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Remember to resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

712
01:01:38,579 –> 01:01:39,408
Bye, everyone.

713
01:01:40,599 –> 01:01:43,934
Thanks for tuning into this episode of Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

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To continue these conversations, join us in the Naturally Conscious community, your premier online ecosystem for plant reawakening and accelerated evolution and co-creation with otherkin.

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01:01:55,458 –> 01:02:04,848
Here you’ll find expansive discussions, interactive courses, live events, and supportive group programs like the Plant Wisdom Book Club and the Sprouts Writing and Creativity Group.

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Connect with like-minded individuals collaborating with plants to integrate these insights into life.

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01:02:10,739 –> 01:02:15,879
Intro and outro music by Steve Siulli and Poinsettia from The Singing Life of Plants.

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That’s it for me, Tigrilla Gardenia, and my plant collaborators.

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Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

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I’m out.

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Bye.