Ep.120 Two Polymaths in Conversation with Laura Alyn

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Hello, hello, hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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It’s me, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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You are going to absolutely love this conversation.

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If you’ve ever thought about intuition, if you’ve ever thought about what it means to be in a connection that goes beyond your own physical body, so many different topics that we touched on with Laura Alyn that you are

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we even talked about hula ’cause she’s a hula dancer.

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So, I mean, it was, it was a moment of deep awareness, of, of, as she talks about, grounded spirits.

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So we talked about plant spirits, we talked about so many different things.

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And what I love about her is that she’s bringing the whole concept of intuition and of deep connection with plants and of, like, understanding yourself in this shared field into the academic world with her PhD.

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So, I mean, this isn’t just like fluffy

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I don’t know, not to say that

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I love woo conversations.

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You know I am a woo person.

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But this is like woo meets science meets the arts.

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So without further ado, I wanna share with you episode 120: 2 Polymaths in Conversation with Laura Alyn.

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Enjoy.

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Welcome to Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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I’m your host, Tigrilla Gardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and the founder of the Naturally Conscious Community.

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For over a decade, I’ve been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.

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In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge, from biology to spirituality, about the wondrous ways of plants.

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Together, we’ll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.

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Hello, Laura.

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Hello.

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I am, uh, so excited to be sitting here with you today.

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There are, um, I

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After we had our little pre-interview, I made myself a list of things that I wanted to talk about in this, in, in, in this interview.

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So, but before we start, I’d love for you to tell everybody, who is Laura Alyn?

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Yeah, thank you so much for having me here.

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Um, so a little bit about me.

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I grew up loving everything, and so now, I have finally like, portioned it into my little self.

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So I’m an artist, so I’m a hula dancer, I’m a painter, um, I’m an author, and I’m also a scientist.

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So I’m getting my PhD right now.

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I love data.

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I love working, um, large datasets.

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I love web design, web development, um, all things technical and like AI, I love that too.

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And then I’m a host.

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So I have, uh, 2 podcasts right now where I take people on little paths to learn more about themselves.

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I love it.

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Like talk about the core of being a multipotentialite and yet synthetic.

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Like, synthetic, synthetic, synthetic, that’s not what I meant to say.

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Like succinct in the way that you were saying things.

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Sometimes my languages mix in my head, and especially on days like today where I’ve been like jumping around from one to the other.

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But I love that list of things.

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I am gonna come back to the hula, because hula is more than just like, “Oh, I’m gonna do the dance.”

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I mean, hula is, is, is a- A way of life.

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is a way of being in and of

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It’s a way of life all in of itself.

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Mm-hmm.

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So we’re gonna come back to the hula, because I wanna come to it from the perspective of, at least in my ex- very teeny, tiny limited experience, and in what I know from others that I’ve spoken to.

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It is, it is a connection point.

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It’s like a movement that literally connects you to something way more than just, “I’m gonna stand there and, and do these moves.”

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So we’re gon- we’re gonna go there.

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But before that, I wanna

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So when we had our, our pre- pre-interview, we started to talk about obviously all the different things that you, um, that you’ve connected to.

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And you’ve had a very special relationship with plants, like, which you didn’t mention in there.

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But you have a very special relationship.

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Can you tell us more about like where did that start and, and where has it taken you today?

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Yeah, I think I didn’t mention it before, because plants, my relationship with plants, like over, is through all of them.

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Mm-hmm.

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So like with art, a lot of my art is based through plants.

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Sometimes I even put plants into the art.

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Um, I press flowers, so the flowers that I grow here, I press them and, and put them into the art.

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Um, with the data, I’ve been

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Well, that’s kind of how my dissertation topic started, was with this relationship with plants.

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And really understanding- Oh yeah, by the way, in all of that list of stuff she just said, she’s a PhD student.

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That, sorry.

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Yeah.

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Had to say that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, so, so like, yeah, really understanding them as beings and not just something that people don’t even really take the second to look at.

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Like, that’s like the saying, you know, like, “Stop and smell the roses.”

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You know, like-

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sort of like really get, get deeper with them.

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And so Grounded Spirits, one of the podcasts, is about being grounded with plants and growing our own roots within ourselves, just like plants.

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And so I really see plants as guides, teachers, mentors, however you, you wanna put it.

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But it really connects us to the great divine, and it’s, uh, a really beautiful relationship that I have

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It’s really interesting- That’s amazing.

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that you, you, you said that, because just today, this morning, I was working on a, on a project.

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I’m working on a, a new workshop.

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And as I was working on that, so in my own work with plants, I’ve gone from, you know, a, a, a deeply probably spiritual connection to start with, to then down a technical route going into plant neurobiology and seeing the entire world of like plant sciences.

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And then, um, you know, through the whole artistic realm and now, it’s kind of coming full circle where I’m reconnecting to that spirit side-

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um, in a whole different way because it becomes informed by all these other pieces and it connects into all these pieces.

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And I think that, that, that for some, that’s of course like the main piece, but I’m gonna ask a really weird question and- Yeah.

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I don’t know why it just came to me, but it’s because I was, I’ve been listening recently to a lot of different speakers that are talking about their connection to plants and how they communicate with plants, and as I’m thinking about plant communication across different pieces, I’m trying to try- Okay.

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to even find the words to this question, but the question is kind of like, so if I think of myself as a human being, right, I think of myself at, at multiple levels, and I know that I have my dis- divine component.

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My, a part of me is divine.

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A part of me is also physical, but there is no kind of separation.

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There’s just a, a probably gradient of like how much do I rely on whatever it is that I’m experiencing on my physical senses versus my subtle senses versus something that’s even beyond my personal realm.

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And yet- Yeah.

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I hear a lot of people who talk about plants kind of almost like there’s- Yeah.

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a separate being, a distinction between the physical entity that is the plant and the kind of more divine or spiritual entity the- is the plant.

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I’m so curious as to how do you see that.

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Like is it different?

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Yeah.

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Is it the same?

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Feel free to elaborate and go off on tangents.

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Awesome.

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So, so yes.

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I think that they are different because plants, they move at a different time.

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Like they’re in like a different time space than us physically, but when, when communicating with plants in a spiritual sense, it’s, it’s that you’re finally able to connect.

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It’s like building that bridge.

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And so I call it intuition, but I’m sure there’s other ways or like more nuanced ways to, to talk about that, uh, communication, but it’s about getting still within the self, and I think that plants just naturally are still, um, and that’s why we see them as still even though they do move.

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They do do a lot of things that people don’t really realize, um, but, but that’s, that’s how like the distinction works.

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Like physically, we can’t connect on that communication level, but spiritually we can.

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Interesting perspective.

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See, I, I find, and I, and I’m gonna get into the intuition part because that also opens for me a, a can of worms which is if we think of ourselves, right, as all having this divine spark, this divine spirit which means when we think about intuition, again, most of us think about intuition based on myself, right?

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It’s my intuition.

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And as I work more with other kin and I work specifically with plants and I move into realms of plant communication, I’m very much having a doubt that my, what I’ve been calling intuition even, when I’ve been using the term my intuition, is actually even mine.

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Not just because plants are communicating with me and probably everybody is, but it’s kind of like relational processing.

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It’s almost as if there is no isolation anywhere.

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You’re always just reading into a field, and that field is made up of all the beings that are around you.

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Some of them are talking directly at you.

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Some of them are just being in that space, but they’re all still plugging into that field.

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So when I think of intuition and I think of like grounding into myself, like you said, that presence, my presence, what it does is allow me to hear the field, right?

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Everything that’s coming from my 5 senses plus the other senses that I’ve been able to awaken and connect to, um, whether it’s the aura and the electromagnetic field or whether I’m talking about something else.

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But either way all of those elements that I’m kind of pulling from, including even if I’m talking about a divine channel that connects into divinities which are also fragments of large populations putting into this energy field to create this being, it’s all still

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I mean does

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I guess the question is does personal intuition really exist or is it just a shared, uh, field of understanding that I then kind of tune based on my needs?

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Did that even make any sense?

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Yeah, definitely.

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And that’s actually like what I’m looking at with my PhD dissertation that what we s- people in the science community would just dismiss intuition like, “Oh, that you’re just making it up in your head.

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It’s not real,” right?

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But if we’re all looking at this one thing and we all see it from these different, from our own, we call it our own intuition but we’re really just tapping into whatever this is, then that’s how you know that it’s real where you see it one thing as from the different perspectives is still the same thing, it’s still real, then that’s how I’ve been able to, to quantify it scientifically.

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Um, and so with plants it’s that they, they emit this, this energy that then we can tap into and that’s what I was saying like spiritually.

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We can tap in spiritually whereas physically we can’t see them move the way that we can if we zoom in on a, on a plant, have like the, a time lapse, then you can see them move and, and be so alive.

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Um, so that- that’s- that’s how I was seeing it.

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That’s interesting.

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It- it connects in- and I- and I get what you mean about not being able to necessarily, um, see it.

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That’s why I often, uh, I just taught a workshop actually this weekend from when we’re recording, um, uh, called Reawaken Lost Senses which is this concept of understanding that we have a whole series of other senses that as you said are not really online or more importantly they might even be online and that’s the reason why we get overwhelmed because we’re not conscious of them, we’re not connected into them.

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And these are the ones that give us access to those parts, like you said, of plants that maybe today I don’t understand.

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For example, plants do make a clicking type noise that, um, many are trying to understand whether that’s a form of phytoacoustics, a f- a form of communication that plants are using amongst themselves because there have been patterns that have been recognized in this, and so that’s an area of study of which of course we can hear and we hear the vibrations.

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Now we don’t necessarily consciously hear at the frequencies that they’re clicking but it doesn’t mean that my hearing, my vibrational body, my- my sense of hearing or of auditory sense is actually not able to pick it up.

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It’s just that I myself, my mind is not tuned to being able to recognize this.

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And I f- the more I go down this, this work with plants and I go down this rabbit hole of like really stretching my own body to understand.

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You know, we talk about the aura, but the aura is the electromagnetic body, and so therefore that also is a sense that we have forgotten we have access to and it has many different layers within it, so many different things that we can connect into.

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And so I’m just, the more I go down this path both physically feeling it in my body and also kind of mentally trying to put the constructs back in place, I start to realize that, you know, entanglement really is the- the core, right?

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Relationship is the core of everything and what the plants are helping me to do and the- and what I’m hearing as I talk to more and more people is helping us tune into things better.

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Like rather than being subject to a feeling, a sensation, a belief system, uh, whatever it might be, it’s about tuning into it so that then it becomes kind of another piece of data regardless of whether it comes through a physical mean or a non-physical mean.

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I mean who’s to say when I take a deep breath in what are all the chemicals that are coming in from the plants around me and that I might not think I’m smelling them because I don’t- I don’t actually like, they don’t have a, a perfume to them that I know how to recognize, but that doesn’t mean that my body is not reacting to these in different ways?

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And I wonder, I- and I’d love to hear more about your, you know, your PhD and- and the work and the research that you’re doing for it because I’m just wondering whether as you go down the- the, you know, down the whole intuition perspective we’re not gonna get to a point where we realize that all of these terms that we’ve been using, like you said, they’re just fractals of the same truth which is we’re in a relational field, we have a bunch of senses, we actually know how to respond to them, and when you know how to like consciously understand a sense, it’s called knowledge

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and when I don’t know it’s called intuition?

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Exactly.

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And I think it all comes down to awareness, and I think that’s what plants are teaching us, like how do we become more aware and more present in the moment?

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And I, um, draw a lot of my, um, belief system from Carlos Castaneda’s work where he talks about everything is about awareness and tuning into that attention.

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And so when you give

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So he has like the first attention, second attention, third attention, and so these different attentions will get you deeper into that, that space where we don’t know the unknown so that we can bring it out and become more aware of it to then call it knowledge.

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And, um, yeah, just a little bit more about, about that book, um, that’s actually what got me started because before, um, I, I thought I was crazy that I was like going to talk to plants and communicate with them.

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But then when I read it and found out- You’re in good company.

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You’re in very, very good company.

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Because I was so drawn to your show.

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Um, but in that book

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he, um, his mentor tells him, like, “You have to talk to this plant.”

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It’s a Datura plant, um, in the book.

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And he, so he talks, he says, like, “I, I feel so silly talking to this plant.”

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But then the deeper that he goes into this relationship, he’s able to, to see and he ends up really connecting with this plant.

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And it just brought me alive ’cause I, I also connect with plants and so it was just, um, really beautiful that it came up in

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and you said it beautifully when you

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You know, we at Damanhur use the phrase there is no, there’s no truth in the world of form, absolute truth, excuse me, on the way of, on the, in the world of form because it’s always, um, there’s fractals of truth.

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And the more pieces of the fractal, the more I, I see it from, like, these different directions and I get different inputs, the more I can start to see where the absolute truth could possibly be because it’s made up of all of these different fractals that are always our perceptions, our environment, the way we interact with others.

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And, and I think that plants really help us to feel comfortable in that non-absolute space.

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Um, because it’s like because plants, I think, are sessile, at least this is how it feels to me, because plants are sessile and can’t run away, you know, not only do you, as you said, become more aware, you have to put your attention, uh, you have to expand your attention and choose consciously where I put my awareness.

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Um, in Italian, we use the word, which is basically awareness, but it’s very specific and it’s something extremely important because I think that’s one of the places where we as humans have kind of let go of our power in every single way because we’ve given away our awareness, where we’re not present and therefore we’re not aware, and I ca- I call that your plant-ness, right?

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Your plant-ness is that, that stillness connected with awareness, connected with, you know, high attention that then leads to conscious awareness.

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And in there, it’s such an empowering space, and I think that that’s probably why it is the space of intuition and it is the space of answers and of communication with other kin.

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It’s the space where I realize that within me, within this physical, non-physical structure that is me that goes off, not just, you know, limited to my skin, but also beyond, there are so many different receptors and capabilities and, uh, opportunities to, to understand the world around me at such a fine level if I give myself the space.

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So do you find that in the work that you’re doing with intuition, there’s sort of, like, in order to really tap into that intuition, there’s, like, a prequel, like a series of things or how you have to get to it?

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I’m just curious as to what angle you’re taking.

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I think that we all have it.

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It’s just a matter of, like how we were talking about, like, getting, becoming aware of it and, like, trusting.

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I think that’s, like, the main point is trusting.

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Mm-hmm.

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‘Cause, like, even people have, like, these visceral, like, gut-wrenching moments, but then sometimes people just disregard it, like, “Oh, okay, like, my- I just have stomach issues.

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Like, it’s not my gut telling me something.”

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Um, but, but it is, and if we were to quiet even further, then you would just hear it in your head or, um, things would come up where it is your intuition telling you, but it’s very quiet, and I think that’s where the real power comes from is how quiet it is because it, it’s like you could listen to me or you could go do whatever you wanna do and then come back eventually.

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Um, and so, so yeah, that’s, that’s how I see it, but I feel like intuition is just a way of getting signals either from your truest self, so I say, like, the soul, um, or clients, other kin, um, regar- regardless, that’s what I would call intuition.

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Yeah, I like that.

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I like the fact that you look at it as a whole.

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Like, intuition isn’t

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I think there’s this false idea, my opinion that it’s false, might be not, but that’s my opinion, that there’s this false idea that intuition is only listening to myself.

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it’s way more than that.

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Again, like I was saying, because of this relational field in which we’re in, even that myself, it still has to be connected to something, and that myself, more likely than not, as you said, is my body or it’s me listening to my body react to something greater.

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And so you have, like, you know, the mind, uh

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I was talking

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How was it, how was it?

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Oh my god.

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Oh, when I, when I met with Marco, that was great.

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Like, one of the, um, episodes pre- previous episodes where we were talking about this, and he was saying how there’s the brain mind, the heart mind, you know, the gut mind, and tuning into those, like, minds and allowing, like you said, that when my stomach hurts, it’s not just because I ate something or I have indigestion, but even that is still a reaction to something and therefore it is still telling you something about your environment.

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And so no matter where it is that you’re looking on your body, so there’s like that body sense, which is one form of intuition, then there’s that, like, emotional, like, deep kind of knowing that comes from, like, what he calls the heart mind, and then there is the, okay, this logically makes sense because here are the things that came in, which is that brain kind of knowledge-based mind.

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And I would love to see our children develop these pieces more from when they’re really little, because they have it already, and if we just allowed them to tell us in that way

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I remember years and years ago, the, uh, small, uh, cousin of, of somebody, a friend of mine, he and I were talking and at some point he looks at me and he’s like, “I don’t like you.”

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He was 4 years old at the time.

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And he was like, “I don’t like you right now.”

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And I was like, I was like, “What?”

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And he was like, oh, he, he didn’t want to play with me or something like that, and I was like, “Why don’t you want to play with me?”

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He said, “‘Cause right now, I just don’t like you.

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I might like you later, but I don’t like you now.”

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And it was like, okay, because he was speaking not from a place of, like, you did anything or bad, he was just in a place, like you said, his soul, his personality, he had a personality that didn’t gel with me in this moment.

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Like right now, this is where I am.

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Give me 10 minutes and I might be somewhere else.”

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And I think that, in those cases, it’s such an important piece to tu- for him to, to be able to tune into himself and say, “Okay, I need to make space from you because right now you’re not the person that’s best for whatever it is that’s going on with me.”

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And I think if we were allowing ourselves to continue to evolve that, which I do think plants do so, so well because even though they can’t move, they know how to shut off communication from one or- Mm-hmm.

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bring in to another and tune and move physically in order to, like, be in that place that is necessary.

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And I think if we allowed ourself as humans to think of ourselves more in that way and to, to not necessarily, like you said, discard it, but instead, uh, lean into it more and say, “Okay, I’m gonna trust that if right now I don’t want, need to talk to you, there’s a reason.”

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And that reason could be so many different things, from like, I don’t know, I’m talking to you right now and you, because you just had a cold, are giving off something that my body is saying, “If I spend more time with you, I’m gonna get sick, and so I’m gonna walk away from you because, mm, I don’t need to get sick.”

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Like, can you imagine if we trusted our bodies to that level and we gave ourselves the opportunity to distance, to bring closer, and even things that seem somewhat irrational, how much healthier we probably would be?

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Yeah, definitely.

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And it’s interesting that you’re talking about the, the difference, um, the different minds, um, like what Marco

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Now it’s with the intuition, but what it originally started with was trying to understand the soul, mind and spirit, soul, mind and body.

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And what I realized is that soul was actually split up into soul and spirit.

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And so I think when you’re talking about like the aura or like the electromagnetic field that we give off, that’s spirit, and according to

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So I tried to just looking at them separately, but I couldn’t.

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It’s not possible ’cause they’re so interconnected like we were talking about earlier.

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So it’s like the

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So s- intuition is the spirit of the body, whereas the soul would be, I mean, the heart would be the soul of the body.

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And so I have this chart where it outlines all of these different things, but here we’re just talking about intuition.

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And so if we look at it, if we look at intuition as the spirit of our bodies, it’s that, this aura or this, uh, um, electromagnetic field that, it’s constantly out there seeking information and it’s bringing it back to the body.

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And so that’s why it’s so crucial to listen to the body.

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Um, so I loved your example, um, with, with the cold, um, with other, somebody, uh, somebody else, but it’s also just any- anything that happens to us.

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Like for instance, I was so weird when I would paint my nails, the middle finger nail c- polish would always come off and I’m like, “What is going on?”

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And so then I, I tuned into it, turns out there was, um, unresolved anger that come- makes the, the middle finger, something with the middle finger and then the anger.

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And so then once I was able to tap into like what is that, where’s that underlying anger coming from and heal that, now I’m fine with them.

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with my nails.

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So, like something so little like that, um, or it could be something full-blown like cancer where it’s like your body has been telling you for years and years and years, and you’re not listening to it, and so then it has to hit you with something so hard and so heavy to be able to, to wake you up.

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And i- it is amazing how we are, um, almost taught to discard our body’s reactions in that way- Totally.

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especially when they go against societal norms, instead of teaching us how to better deal with those situations.

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So for example, I don’t know, you’re in a party and all of a sudden you’re like, “Nope, I gotta go.”

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Like, I’m one of those people that I, as soon as I walk into a room, my body will tell me, like, “This is a safe space,” or, “This is not a safe space.”

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And whenever, I mean, I am a very, I’m kind of like a social introvert.

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Like I love my alone time and I have my highly sensitive moments, and I also love being super outlandish and like really talkative and stuff like that.

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So I can swing both ways.

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So I trust myself in being able to-

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so my, my phone is actually ringing.

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My phone never rings and the ringer had been off for years, but it just did an update and so now all of a sudden my phone is ringing behind me.

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And I’m not used to it because I’m like, “What is that sound?

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What’s happening?”

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But, so I was saying that my body, for example, kind of knows that like what is safe for me or what’s good for me.

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I can’t always identify whatever it is, but I absolutely trust it.

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So if I’m in a place and maybe I’m having a great time with my friends or, you know, it’s a party or something like that, and then all of a sudden something will change in me and it will say, “Time to go.”

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And at first I used to feel bad ’cause I was like, “Am I being anti-social?

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Am I just,” you know, ’cause the whole society thing, and then you’re like, “Oh, I need to go say goodbye to everybody.”

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I don’t even say goodbye to everybody.

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Everybody knows, like I just go.

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I just like pick my stuff up and I go.

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I’m not mean about it.

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If I’m talking to somebody I don’t do it in the middle of talking with them, but I have learned- Right.

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to sort of navigate those kind of social situations from the perspective of trusting.

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And I really do think that my, the plants have helped me a lot in, in finding, over the years that I’ve been working with the plants, the thing that the plants have helped me is one, to then kind of scan into myself to understand better like where that’s coming from.

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Is it a, is it just I’m overwhelmed?

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Is it a psychological thing?

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Like, I’m just like whatever?

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Or is there even, like I said, a physical thing?

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Like I am 100%, I’ve had the experience where I’ve been in a group of people and then I’ve felt the need to leave and then I’ll find out like the next day that a bunch of them got sick.

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And it’s like, “Oh, okay.

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Now I understand it.”

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And I, what the plants have helped me is in part obviously tuning more into that and being able to be comfortable, um, uh, accepting it and going with it and flowing with that.

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But also, believe it or not, in the f- in the communication perspective of it because in the plants sharing with me and, um, the, the trust of this and like helping me better get in touch with these types of feelings, it’s no longer comes from a place of resentment.

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The plants have really helped me see that in an ecosystem you have like cells that attract and cells that repel.

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You have cells that have certain functions and cells that, you know, are supposed to do other things.

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And so if I trust into whatever it is that I’m experiencing, and I know that it has a function, that it’s being carried out for a reason, and even if that reason is I have a trauma, I still can’t deal with that trauma in the group of people.

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I need to like, I need to go and work on that and figure it out in order to come back.

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So I feel like the plants have helped me wrap a vocabulary of this is natural, and therefore I don’t try to make excuses or I don’t try to like color it into ton- tons of like language like, “Oh, I’m so sorry so-and-so called me away.”

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I’m sorry.

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I just have a feeling that it’s time for me to go and so I just need to go.

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You know, I love you.

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know, “I love you.

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We’ll see each other another day.

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Everything is great,” you know, type of thing.

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But, like, really tapping into the perspective that this is natural and also helping me scan myself better because I think plants are really, really good at scanning their bodies and scanning and understanding different things that their bodies are doing and not labeling it good or bad.

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Like right now there’s an aloe in front of me that looks very, very, very dry, but it’s summer and it’s hot as hell here and that’s that plant’s way of kind of, you know, making sure that the body is attuned to the space and to the heat in the space and to what’s going on in the space and to everything in it.

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And I think that that’s the kinds of things that the plants are really helping me better understand, which I think others would just call intuition but for me it’s like, “Oh, thank you.

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Thank you, Gary.”

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“And thank you, Jana, for sharing that information with me.”

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Yeah, and I think just spending time in nature.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, so with me it’s the trees, so I’ll just go sit under a tree.

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Well, first I’ll ask, um, or I’ll see, like, what tree, like, stands out to me because I feel like they kind of pull you with their, with their energy towards a certain plant or tree.

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Um, and so I’ll go and sit under a tree, and I’ll just sit there and sometimes I get bored and I’m like, “Why am I just sitting here?”

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But I’ll look at like the- the leaves and the branches and just kind of follow with my eyes.

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Um, in Carl Pocinetta’s work they call it gazing where you just- you’re just gazing, you’re not really looking for anything, you’re just kind of allowing it all to come in.

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And then hours later I’ll- it’ll be like- like past memories that come up where I- where it’s, like, actually coming from the tree where, like, the tree taught me how to shut off my energy or how to expand my energy or how to- to do a bunch of different things that I don’t realize is happening in the moment, but later on I’m like, “Oh, okay, it was because of this.”

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Um, and so I think that’s another way of- of tuning into the body and seeing, like, where- where is this line, this thread of knowledge coming from?

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And i- it’s always coming back to- to nature for me.

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I love that ’cause I do that all the time.

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Like, I’ll be walking somewhere and I’ll get just a hit that says sit and you don’t know why, you’re just sitting, like

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I’ll be sitting, and I’ll be, like, running my hand through the grass and sometimes it’ll last, like you said, like, you’ll gaze, you’ll sort of

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I- I do that a lot also from- from my place ’cause I have this beautiful, um, meadow and then a river and, Gary, the silver firs in the middle, and oftentimes I’ll sit on the- on the, um, uh, on the balcony and I’ll just stare out kind of lost in a haze.

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And as you said, it’s only hours later that something clicks in you and you’re just like, “Oh, that’s what I was processing.”

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Because probably your body also needs time, going back to that whole discussion I was saying about how the fact that we have all these senses that are not really fully online, they’re not tuned, they’re

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So they’re probably receiving, but they’ve gotta kind of work their way through things in order for me to be able to, uh, learn from them or connect into what the message is because that’s, um

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And, uh, because- because I’m- I’m just not there yet, I mean, I f- I’ve- I’m getting closer, but I’m not there yet so it’s not instantaneous.

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And also, as you said, plants have a different timescale, right?

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So they- they are communicating with us in ways that maybe our chemical signatures that our body has to digest and integrate and it has to come into our bloodstream and it has to go through and it has to hit the brain and then in the brain and then i- or in whatever other part that then has to connect in and all of a sudden then mind wakes up and says, “Oh, that’s what that meant.”

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And- and I think that that’s probably most likely why also the art has become such a big part of your life, the same as it has been for mine, because art allows me to capture also in other ways, to receive whatever it is that’s coming from that field, from that shared relational field with plants and with other kin, with other beings that I might not see or recognize, or even to parse through because if I’m sitting with 15 plants and all of them are doing something, I might have to parse through which is the one that’s actually trying to talk to me.

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And I find that that- that time element, which is something that I’m- I’m working on right now actually in my Enhanced Plant Communication workshop that I’m gonna be doing at the end of July, um, that is a really big piece of it, like the time element and then also the fact of giving yourself that space for your body to integrate into it and for you to kind of put the pieces together in some way that makes humanly sense.

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Yeah, so it’s like- I love that.

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Go ahead.

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with mine it’s- it’s that

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What I’ve- what I’ve been realizing through- through my research is when we say I, we’re talking about our mind, like our mind just wants to know about everything.

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And so, like, even with hula, my body just knows the steps but my mind, I n- it needs to be present so that I can enjoy it more.

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And so it- it’s been like this really cool thing of trying to connect your mind with your body because then if you overthink it, then you’re g- just gonna mess up all the steps.

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So it’s really about, like, balancing, um, that out but it’s- I think it all comes back to the mind is just so curious and just wants to know, “Oh, soul, what are you doing?

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What are you working on, spirit?

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What’s going on here?”

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Um, and, and yeah, so, yeah, it’s just about, like, bringing them all together and, like, really integrating the different parts of self.

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That’s probably the hardest pieces.

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And, um, so the spiritual founder of Damanhur always said that, um, the, the eye does- the eye exists in 5 people.

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In other words- Oh.

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it takes 5 people to make an eye.

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00:37:42,023 –> 00:37:50,503
And I always thought that that’s fascinating because, of course, you know, when I first heard it, it was 5 humans makes, you know, that’s where

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And to a certain extent, he was talking a lot about that, the fact that a group is really the eye mind.

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Like the way that we can get, because of the fractals of truth, because of the diversity and understanding things, because we all have our blind spots and we have things and we all have knowledge in different areas and different skillsets.

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00:38:09,703 –> 00:38:15,703
So for him, minimum 5 people was what, f- 5 humans was the necessity in order.

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00:38:15,703 –> 00:38:27,343
As time has gone on, for me, I’ve realized that those 5 people could be any kind of people, and it could be also more than human, but it does require awareness.

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00:38:27,343 –> 00:38:37,283
Awareness not just that they are there, because, you know, I could say, oh yeah, my cat and, um, you know, th- and Gary the silver fur and, you know, name out 5 others.

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00:38:37,283 –> 00:38:48,143
But if I’m not literally engaging with them and I don’t have a relationship of communication and of any kind of like, I haven’t developed something, then that’s just false.

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That’s absolutely false.

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It’s not the, it’s not the, the s- the right 5.

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00:38:52,243 –> 00:38:55,326
But instead, if I’ve given myself that space to-

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00:38:56,403.00000000046566 –> 00:39:00,063
form a relationship with those 5 beings, you know, whether we’re- Mm-hmm.

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talking about bacteria or whether we’re talking about a plant or a horse or anything- Mm-hmm.

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or another human being, and I’ve given myself, then all of a sudden that 5 is really fascinating.

346
00:39:10,183 –> 00:39:12,343
But those 5 also need to all interact.

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It’s not a matter of like, oh, okay, I’m a, I’m an eye because I talked to Gary over here and then now I’m talking to Laura over here and I’m like

348
00:39:20,703 –> 00:39:22,163
No, no, it doesn’t work that way.

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We all have to be interacting together.

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And so that means bringing consciousness to that fact that that field gets, gets created as, as a together.

351
00:39:30,903.0000000004657 –> 00:39:38,623
And we call it here a super individual, the idea that the individual, um, is only as good as the sum of the parts, right?

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Not

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Or it’s better than the sum of the parts.

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00:39:40,903.0000000004657 –> 00:39:59,843
So it’s the relationships between these minimum of 5 that actually create that oneness, um, that can be, um, that can be evolutive, that can help you move and process through things beyond just the mundane and what’s here in your, you know, right in front of you.

355
00:39:59,843 –> 00:39:59,906
Yeah.

356
00:40:01,183 –> 00:40:11,863.0000000004657
It’s actually interesting as you’re going into like sacred geometry and like how the 5 different points that come together and create, um, like the tree of life, for instance, with the, the circles.

357
00:40:11,863.0000000004657 –> 00:40:16,423
Um, yeah, it’s really, that’s how, that’s why I love all of this- Mm-hmm.

358
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because it all comes back together.

359
00:40:18,023 –> 00:40:25,603
And so like when I talk about me being a scientist, I usually use the term polymathic because polymath means like loving a little of everything.

360
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But the way that I define it is- Yes.

361
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Mm-hmm.

362
00:40:35,619 –> 00:40:53,950
And so when you take something like plant communication and you’re able to see them in all 4 of the different, um, academic subject, or academic disciplines, it’s, that’s how, how you were talking about earlier, like, the fact those are truth come together and create something so marvelous.

363
00:40:54,779 –> 00:40:55,759
Oh, I love that.

364
00:40:55,759 –> 00:41:01,819
I love that you’ve just put together a, uh, things that I hadn’t kind of said, like, I hadn’t put together in that way.

365
00:41:01,819 –> 00:41:16,299
So I do a plant consciousness commentary on Fridays and one of the things I love, I read scientific papers or go through academic conferences and then comment on them and, and, you know, break it down for people who maybe don’t have the experience.

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And what I love, love about doing it is that I started in the kind of more sciences, like, in the biological sciences ’cause I started in the disciplines of where the birth of plant neurobiology.

367
00:41:28,439 –> 00:41:28,799
Mm-hmm.

368
00:41:28,799 –> 00:41:59,779
And plant neurobiology was originally born inside of the world of plant sciences, then moved into, uh, philosophy of biology, and so there’s a lot of philosophers that work in the philosophy of either in the biological sciences or in just the sciences in general, and so you have this mix that first starts to be born between hardcore, like, biology as well as, you know, plant physiology, plant electrophysiology, uh, neuroscience, these areas, and then how these come together with,

369
00:41:59,779 –> 00:42:00,739
uh, philosophy.

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And these become kind of the first 2 merging of disciplines that end up making plant neurobiology, or as others who are much more conservative wanna call it plant, plant signaling and behavior.

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00:42:11,679 –> 00:42:40,879
But then after that, uh, there’s, it’s been really interesting to see where the disciplines have moved because then gets the whole critical plant studies world that starts to happen, and critical s- plant studies is basically the plant humanities, and it’s everything around how is it that we bring together in and we bring in the humanities and this also brings in the artistic world, which is fundamental, in my opinion, to being able to understand other kin.

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Because without the arts, we do not have m- tools at our disposal to see the unseen or to imagine

373
00:42:52,859 –> 00:43:07,339
Uh, unfortunately, I think one of the atrophied layers of our aura is the layer of imagination for many people, especially in the sciences because they, like, shut them down on purpose even though I think that they do experience them.

374
00:43:07,339 –> 00:43:10,704
They just shut them down because they feel like they’re not allowed to rely on them.

375
00:43:11,579 –> 00:43:24,592
And I find it super fascinating that the arts is that place, that liminal zone, that allows you to create something out of nothing and be okay with it.

376
00:43:25,119 –> 00:43:38,939
And it doesn’t matter whether you believe that it’s possible or not, the fact that you’ve put it outside of yourself through a work of art, whether we’re talking about abstract art or we’re talking about some kind of sculpture, we’re talking especially about the performance art.

377
00:43:38,939 –> 00:43:45,059
I just watched, um, a performance piece by, oh, what was his last name?

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00:43:45,059 –> 00:43:45,879
Sean

379
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I can’t remember his last name right now unfortunately, who was talking about smelly fungi and he put it into kind of a performance piece.

380
00:43:53,499 –> 00:44:01,939
And it was fascinating because, again, it conceptualized things that we maybe hadn’t connected together and he did it through this performance.

381
00:44:01,939 –> 00:44:13,899
And so I do think that the fact of passing through all of these different disciplines, as you said, gives us the opportunity to n- n- no, no one of them is more important than the other.

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00:44:13,899 –> 00:44:14,699
And I think that that’s- Right.

383
00:44:14,699 –> 00:44:15,399
the other piece.

384
00:44:15,399 –> 00:44:20,679
And in plant consciousness commentary, I’ve made commentary on, you know, beautiful- Mm-hmm.

385
00:44:20,679 –> 00:44:38,979
really interesting essays and papers on plant performance, on art, on plants, like, plant agency through art, um, on all kinds of different sciences, on philosophies, on now eco, like, eco, f- uh, feminism and plant critical studies and plant humanities.

386
00:44:38,979 –> 00:44:46,459
And, like, mixing these all together is so great because it’s helped me see kind of a bigger picture.

387
00:44:46,459 –> 00:45:00,38.99999999953434
And, and then now, um, thanks to beautiful work done by the Harvard Divinity School, there’s this whole now spirit aspect that’s finally being talked about in, within the hard sciences.

388
00:45:00,38.99999999953434 –> 00:45:14,519
So you have hard sciences like, you know, in plant physiology and in botany and in areas that are also talking about their intuitive and connected experiences.

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And we hadn’t been able to see those types of things as much before, so now that they’re all merging, we get the bigger picture and the better understanding of who are these beings that, you know, share this earth with us.

390
00:45:27,479 –> 00:45:34,639
And, and how can w- ’cause just like I have all these different sides of me, they have also, can have all these different sides.

391
00:45:34,639 –> 00:45:34,704
Mm-hmm.

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00:45:35,819 –> 00:45:52,639
And I think that’s the most marvelous part of it all is that we, every time that we think we, we learn, we learned everything about a specific species, there’s always another layer, there’s always another layer, and I think even within ourselves that when we think we have a good, good sense of self, you can always go deeper.

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And I think that that’s a, a lot of what my work is looking at, um, in that chart that I was talking about.

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00:45:57,019 –> 00:46:08,687
It’s gonna, it’s spin, gonna be a book that’s coming out later in September.Um, but I found 16 different parts of self and by being able to tap into all these different parts

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00:46:08,687 –> 00:46:10,048
Oh, like for instance, imagination.

396
00:46:10,048 –> 00:46:13,948
Imagination is the soul of the mind and so that’s why- Hmm.

397
00:46:13,948 –> 00:46:17,047
the mind doesn’t really wanna go there because it’s

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00:46:17,047 –> 00:46:19,787
it kinda stops at awareness which is the mind of the mind.

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00:46:19,787 –> 00:46:29,167
And so through these 16 different, um, boxes, I guess we could call them, um, I was able to, to see the different parts of self and now I’ve been testing it on

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I have 2 German Shepherds.

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00:46:30,088 –> 00:46:31,407
I’ve been testing it, like, on them.

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00:46:31,407 –> 00:46:34,047
Do they have these, all these 16 different parts?

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00:46:34,047 –> 00:46:34,968
And they do.

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00:46:34,968 –> 00:46:37,527
And so now I’ve been looking at plants.

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So I, I

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If I were just

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If you were to ask me right now, I would say, yes, I think that they also have the 16 parts, but I haven’t tested it fully, so I can’t say for sure.

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00:46:46,108 –> 00:46:47,308
Um, but it’s interesting.

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00:46:47,308 –> 00:46:50,088
Speaking like a true scientist, “I feel it.”

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00:46:50,088 –> 00:46:51,838
“But I can’t guarantee it.”

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00:46:53,027 –> 00:46:53,982
Exactly.

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00:46:55,714 –> 00:46:56,428
I love it.

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00:46:56,428 –> 00:46:58,974
Okay, so I’m gonna go back to the hula for a second.

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What got you into hula?

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00:47:02,147 –> 00:47:05,907
So it was such, like, um, a divine, um

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And

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00:47:06,147 –> 00:47:06,687
What’s it called?

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00:47:06,687 –> 00:47:08,267
Um, divine moment.

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00:47:08,267 –> 00:47:11,047
What they call, like, a fate, destiny kind of thing.

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00:47:11,047 –> 00:47:14,127
Because I was living, um, in, in Redlands.

421
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So it’s, like, this little city where not a lot happens and I just really wanted to get back out.

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This was right after COVID where we had just been shut in for such a long time, so I was just looking for any kind of class and there was a free, um, class at the senior center.

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So it was just me and, um, these, these women and it was just the most amazing experience to, to learn hula as if it were a Zumba class where you would just follow along and it was

424
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That, that’s how it started.

425
00:47:47,167 –> 00:47:56,207
But I fell in love with the movements and how every movement is telling a story and it’s really connecting you to yourself and to the divine.

426
00:47:56,207 –> 00:48:11,387
And from there, when I moved out here to LA, um, one day I had this, um, this little spot in the wilderness, um, which unfortunately burned down within the E- in the Eaton canyon fires earlier this year.

427
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But when I was there, um, I just got this, like, punch in my, in my gut where it was like, “You need to find a hula school now.”

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And so right there on that rock, in the middle of, of the wilderness, I just looked it up on, on Google and it was just so incredible that it happened to be the halau, the hula school that I’m at now.

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It was just a perfect fit for me and, um, that’s why I s- I say that it, I felt like it was divinely guided the whole time because now in this halau, it is so, so rooted in, in looking at, at hula through all the different lenses.

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00:48:48,767 –> 00:49:04,407
So, um, right now the song that we’re performing is, um, a Kahiko song so it means, like, from, like, the ancient part before, uh, when hula was, um, was illegal when the col- or the colonizers came over and so, like, the song that, uh, that we’re dancing

431
00:49:04,407 –> 00:49:06,107
That I just performed yesterday so I, I

432
00:49:06,107 –> 00:49:07,727
It’s, like, fresh in my mind.

433
00:49:07,727 –> 00:49:12,767
Um, it’s for King Kalakaua where he was the monarch.

434
00:49:12,767 –> 00:49:16,147
Now it’s, like, the Merry Monarch, so it’s, like, a big celebration, um, for him.

435
00:49:16,147 –> 00:49:17,727
It’s kinda like the Olympics of hula.

436
00:49:17,727 –> 00:49:18,367
Right.

437
00:49:18,367 –> 00:49:23,827
And, um, he’s the one that, that said, like, “No,” like, “let’s, let’s keep dancing.

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00:49:23,827 –> 00:49:26,767
Let’s keep this, this act alive.”

439
00:49:26,767 –> 00:49:34,544
And it’s really just connecting us to, to nature and to, to ourselves and to our, our inner worlds.

440
00:49:35,778.0000000004657 –> 00:49:36,707
Wow.

441
00:49:36,707 –> 00:49:38,747
I love that so much.

442
00:49:38,747 –> 00:49:40,167
That’s so great.

443
00:49:40,167 –> 00:49:44,027
I mean, it’s, it’s beautiful when we start to do

444
00:49:44,027 –> 00:49:47,792
You know, when, when we tap into these disciplines, I think that they connect

445
00:49:48,386.99999999953434 –> 00:49:55,207
Again, going back to the whole art, they allow us to connect into threads that with

446
00:49:55,207 –> 00:50:11,527
that gesture, that only pass through gesture, and that, that is so important to later then bring them into the body and then as they get, you know, alchemically sort of distilled into the body they eventually make it to all the other minds in different ways.

447
00:50:11,527 –> 00:50:19,267
But they need that sense, they need that source to come through, you know, the physicalness of it and I, I love that so much.

448
00:50:19,267 –> 00:50:20,420
I took a

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00:50:20,420 –> 00:50:38,799
Many, many years ago, I took a tai chi class, uh, after a, a, a difficult period in my life, and I was shocked at how much I loved the idea of like, again, getting in tune with my body in such a detailed way.

450
00:50:38,799 –> 00:50:43,939
And like you said, for you, you know, with hula and other disciplines, it has that storyline.

451
00:50:43,939 –> 00:50:51,759
It has that, that div- that, that connection directly to that mythology, which is reality in other, in other forms.

452
00:50:51,759 –> 00:50:53,219
It’s just another way – Oh.

453
00:50:53,219 –> 00:50:54,819
it’s another way of expression.

454
00:50:54,819 –> 00:50:54,840
I love it.

455
00:50:54,840 –> 00:51:00,159
Well, actually, with the soul, it, it only understands through analogies and through mythology.

456
00:51:00,159 –> 00:51:03,739
So these mythologies is just a way that the soul is expressing itself.

457
00:51:03,739 –> 00:51:06,139
And so it’s, it is real.

458
00:51:06,139 –> 00:51:12,159
It’s just e- an analogy for what’s actually happening, and then we could even look at it scientifically what’s actually happening.

459
00:51:12,159 –> 00:51:20,999
Like, the sun, the way that the sun goes across, we could say that it is, um, that, the god bringing, like, bringing it, arrows bringing it over.

460
00:51:20,999 –> 00:51:25,968
Um, but it’s, it’s still true, it’s just looking at it in a different perspective.

461
00:51:26,690 –> 00:51:27,279
Yeah.

462
00:51:27,279 –> 00:51:36,379
I had a big discussion about this with Wendy Woods in a previous, um, uh, in a previous episode of the podcast, and it was wonderful ’cause w- that’s exactly where we got into.

463
00:51:36,379 –> 00:51:44,879
She is, she’s rewriting certain mythology, and we also have used it inside The Naturally Conscious Community, where we, you know, uh, started to rework the Garden of Eden.

464
00:51:44,879 –> 00:52:01,959
And it’s been amazing what has come since then, because the work that we did, we spent, we spent 8 months maybe, maybe even a year, like, working on this, where we explored the topic of the garden only to discover that there is no garden and all these different pieces.

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00:52:01,959 –> 00:52:16,979
Which, when I look at where I am today in my life, how much of that, that knowledge has informed and led me to people and understandings and readings and knowledge that I am so grateful for those explorations.

466
00:52:16,979 –> 00:52:27,299
And like you said, it all comes from going deep into that mythology that allows you to retell the story and then ask your body even, you know, “Where do I go with this story?”

467
00:52:27,299 –> 00:52:36,619
And then everybody else gets to participate in it, because so many of these stories are with the animals, the plants, with otherkin in general.

468
00:52:36,619 –> 00:52:48,379
And so you get to bring them into the story, both metaphorically into the energy of, like, their own ancestors as well as through our, uh, our ancestors, and even past lives and all kinds of different things.

469
00:52:48,379 –> 00:52:51,059
But that would open an entirely different can of worms- Oh, that’s deep.

470
00:52:51,059 –> 00:52:53,779
which we’re happy to have.

471
00:52:53,779 –> 00:52:56,839
Laura, this has been a fantastic conversation.

472
00:52:56,839 –> 00:52:58,299
I am so grateful.

473
00:52:58,299 –> 00:53:00,939
Is there any last words you wanna share with everyone?

474
00:53:00,939 –> 00:53:01,026
Yeah.

475
00:53:02,739 –> 00:53:12,639
If you enjoy talking about intuition and knowing how do you know what you know, um, I have my podcast called Illo Radio, uh, where we dive into that.

476
00:53:12,639 –> 00:53:24,359
And also looking at, um, education and how you were talking about earlier with the kids, uh, they do need to have this intuition development, and so we talk about that on the show too.

477
00:53:24,359 –> 00:53:26,739
So thank you so much for having me here.

478
00:53:26,739 –> 00:53:27,139
Yeah.

479
00:53:27,139 –> 00:53:27,719
Beautiful.

480
00:53:27,719 –> 00:53:33,999
So we’re definitely going to put all the links into the show notes so that you can find Laura wherever it is that you wanna look.

481
00:53:33,999 –> 00:53:45,859
And of course, if you wanna continue these conversations, head over, listen to her podcast, and listen to and connect out with her, but also come into The Naturally Conscious community, because this is exactly what the community was born for.

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00:53:45,859 –> 00:54:03,719
It is the place of these, you know, human and more than human connections and the ability for us to work deeply with our plants to explore these different aspects of ourselves, through art, in the, you know, writing and creativity group, in the book club where we, you know, bring in new knowledge and, and stories.

483
00:54:03,719 –> 00:54:08,579
We did a, a great book recently, great, great book called The Island of Missing Trees.

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Go, go check out our, our recordings on our discussions, ’cause it was great.

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Um, tree ap- as protagonist.

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Awesome.

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And we also have, you know, long range master class discussions as well as deep meditations to kind of go on the more mystical side.

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So please head over to The Naturally Conscious community.

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Everything is in the show notes.

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And that’s it for another episode of Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

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Remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

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That’s it.

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Bye.

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Thanks for tuning in to this episode of Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

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To continue these conversations, join us in The Naturally Conscious community, your premier online ecosystem for plant reawakening and accelerated evolution and co-creation with otherkin.

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Here you’ll find expansive discussions, interactive courses, live events, and supportive group programs like the Plant Wisdom book club and the Sprouts Writing and Creativity Group.

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Connect with like-minded individuals collaborating with plants to integrate these insights into life.

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Intro and outro music by Steve Sciuli and Poinsetta from The Singing Life of Plants.

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That’s it for me, Tigrilla Gardenia, and my plant collaborators.

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Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

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I’m out.

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Bye.