Ep.131 Conscious Way of Life with Roxanne Chaput

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Hello, hello, hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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It’s me, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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This interview, conversation, guesting went completely in a different direction, and I am here for it.

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I’m so loving it.

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I, Roxanne Chaput, and I had the most delightful

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Delightful is not the right word ’cause it was deep, but it was easy, and it was light, and it was vast, and yet it was specific.

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It was all these great things.

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We had such a fantastic conversation that took us to the very heart of what we’ve been talking about here on, uh, Reconnect with Plant Wisdom, which is this aspect of you are nature, we are nature, and what does that entail?

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What are the reciprocal relationships that get created as a part of that, and how does that change the way that you experience life?

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So I am just super excited for you to listen to this episode, watch this episode, whichever it is that you’re doing, because I think it’s just gonna m- blow your mind into completely new directions.

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And like I said, I’m here for it.

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So with that, I leave you with Episode 131: Conscious Way of Life.

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Welcome to Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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I’m your host, Tigrilla Gardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and the founder of the Naturally Conscious Community.

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For over a decade, I’ve been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.

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In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge from biology to spirituality about the wondrous ways of plants.

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Together, we’ll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.

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Hello, Roxanne.

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So, you know, I have to say, I’m gonna say this, it’s totally gonna interrupt the flow for a second, but I love your setup.

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Oh.

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I love the, like, white with the black.

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I’m, uh, very much a white and black person.

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Like, black and white stuff is

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I, I feel, uh, actually, I’m dressed in, you can’t see it today, but I’m dressed in black and white myself.

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I have, like, white pants with, like, black

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My, my pants actually look like your curtain behind you.

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So it’s very funny.

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Oh, I love that.

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So- So we’re definitely kindred spirits.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Oh.

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There are so many already questions that I have that, you know, from, from some of the things that we ended up talking about when we did our pre-interview.

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But before I start, can you- Yeah.

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share with the audience, who is Roxanne?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, I am a mother of 3 beautiful children.

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And, you know, nature has always been a massive part of my life and upbringing from my traditional, you know, indigenous and Native American roots.

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And, you know, my path was really cultivated.

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I started in, you know, very corporate, you know, background, doing everything that I thought I was supposed to do, and very much got called into my spiritual path and my spiritual leadership, where I now, you know, teach at a global level, and I teach consciousness.

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And not just consciousness of the human body, but consciousness of everything that is around us and within us and the interconnectedness of us.

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So I really help a lot of global leaders come to this place where the impact that they create in the world is nos- you know, not always just in consideration of our humanity, but the humanity in the earth and how it sustains us and how we actually live in a place of beauty and integrity, and to be able to look at that as the d- divine collective one, essentially.

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I’ve loved that so much.

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And as you were talking, I was thinking about my own corporate experience.

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I was recently interviewed for a podcast, and we, she, she had me, it, it’s called, it’s about pivotal moments in careers, in particular, ’cause she’s a career coach.

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And so of course, we started off with my corporate career, and then we were kinda going off.

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And I was realizing, as I was listening to you, that just the gift of having had that experience, and I’m wondering if you feel the same way, because it’s as if it gave us an entry point into the language that reaches a grouping of people that really need the types of work that we do.

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And I found that, like, rather than thinking of, “Oh, why did I spend my time there?

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What the heck I was doing there?”

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it’s more like, “Oh my goodness, what a great opportunity I had to get into that psyche, to understand, you know, what it is that they’re thinking and how they’re experiencing,” and then be able to turn around and offer something that, for those that love the corporate culture and they wanna stay in there, helps them do it, like you said, with integrity, with consciousness, with a direction and, and something completely different.

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What was your experience like as you transitioned through those 2 spaces?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I really wanna touch on something that you just highlighted there.

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And, you know, we, we come from an aspect of that experience where we’re able to see in terms of, you know, I served in leadership a lot of the capacity of what I embodied and how you actually are able to take the alchemy of that, you know, the medicine, the learnings, the teachings of those experiences, and the connections, and the networking that happens from these pivotal places is also a place that we can speak to and reference, where

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We are not just human, and we know that.

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We know that through scientific studies.

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We know that through religious structures.

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We know that we are multidimensional beings.

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But how can we actually serve as conscious leaders in our multidimensionality, in acceptance of our multidimensionality?

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There’s so many leaders that, you know, have intuitive gifts, but then feel like they can’t embody them full selves because they are at a C-level leadership capacity, and that they can’t rely on those gifts or they can’t, you know, be expressive of those gifts because they have hesitancy to be in their multidimensionality.

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So there is that piece that interconnects, how do I actually lead in a way that creates harmonization within all of me-And how am I actually able to serve from that capacity and serve from a place that is not from wounded perspective, but from a place where I can have conscious awareness, acceptance, accountability, and so forth.

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So when, for me, in, in that piece, like, I loved, you know, being in leadership roles.

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I still, you know, help a lot of corporations be in leadership roles and how they can actually be the leader that they actually choose to be and how they actually want to create their business and create expansion within their business.

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So for me, it was just, how can I take what I’ve mastered in, in that time and as you know, we’re always on a journey of mastery and even in our own personal leadership of our own life, we still learn those leadership principles and those values of how we actually run our households, run our lives, all of these things that come intertwined.

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So for me, it was, it was just a shift for me that I knew that where I was gonna effect change and where I was gonna have the greatest impact wasn’t gonna be under a corporate umbrella, that I wasn’t actually the core leader of that, of that umbrella.

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And then, how can I serve in a place that would actually be efficient and how would it be impactful to actually be in those spaces of the connections that I’ve already established, that I’ve already built, and how can I serve from that place and how can I teach, right?

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There’s always this aspect that we’re always teaching and we’re always learning.

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We’re always a student and we’re always, you know, teaching in tho- in those spaces and how can I have taken all of the you know, that tangibility of the touch points that I’ve created and the relationships that I’ve created and how can I actually make that even more nourished and how can I flourish that even more profoundly?

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I think that that’s such an important piece because you know, as you said earlier like there are many people who have all these gifts, they have all these talents, they’re, on the weekends they’re taking classes or they’re experiencing things, and yet when they get there in the morning it’s like they feel like they have to put on this skin or this, this- Yeah.

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mask that separates them from that and I think having people

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I know that for example just earlier today I was with a, a client and the reason he came to me was because I have a background in similar technologies to the technology he works for.

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And he- Mm-hmm.

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He’s been in telecommunications and working, he’s an engineer and he was like, “When I saw you were an engineer and then I saw that you were talking about all these other things, I was so intrigued,” because it, it made him feel like when he comes to me, talking to me about what’s happening in his corporate world right now, I can understand where it’s coming from, I can speak that same language and I can help him bring those kind of gifts, like all the other stuff that he has, into that environment in a way that feels comfortable and safe and also effective because

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I mean- Yeah.

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as much as I am woo and weird, it also makes-.

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sense that if I’m sitting inside of a corporate meeting like back when I used to work on Windows, you know, here I am in Windows, you, you don’t talk from that same place even though I might be bringing those same principles in, I just use a different vocabulary and so, so being able to have somebody that understands why that vocabulary maybe doesn’t fit even though like you said all those principles of consciousness and integrity and being aligned with yourself and being able to hear those gifts and how do you verify, like how do you

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introduce, “Okay, I have a very clear d- you know guided instinct that I’m supposed to go in this direction,” or, “The plant”

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I, I, I would tell them sometimes, I’m like, “When the plant in the corner of the office whispers to you-“.

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Obviously I can’t just say that.

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Like, “Oh, I’m sorry.

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We’re gonna do this today,” and they’re like, “Why?”

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And you’re like, “Because you know the little ficus tree over here is telling me so.”

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Like you can’t say that in a corporate meeting.

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That doesn’t mean you can’t listen and you can’t act on it.

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It just means you have to find the right vocabulary in order to bring that in.

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And it’s so funny-

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that you say this because as you know as you were expanding on this, the first thing that, you know, Spirit showed me was language.

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Like, how do we bring this into our linguistics that actually feel very comfortable, feel very safe and very secure, but also add a little bit of curiosity?

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You know, like, it’s important that we don’t hide aspects of ourselves and, you know, we wanna have these analogies and, and these perceptions that what we connect to as woo, but in reality that’s discrediting our soul.

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That’s discrediting- Sure.

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the spirits, that’s discrediting what is actually of who we actually are, right?

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It’s not a place that we’re coming into acceptance, we’re having a bit of resistance when we’re like, “Oh, I can’t show that, that part of me.

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I can’t show this aspect of me.”

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But how can I bring this into language?

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How can I simplify this?

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And how can I bring this into context where, you know, if somebody asked me, like, “Where did you c- where, where did that come from?”

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You know, how am I able to actually embody where that truly came from and actually honor myself in that way?

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And that is part of the integrity piece of being a conscious leader, is being able to step into those uncomfortable spaces and make those uncomfortable conversations comfortable, and how do we expand in that?

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How do we bring the linguistics, how do we bring the language, and how do we add some, you know, I hate the word normal, but how do we bring a bit of that normalization into how we, you know, we interact as a cultural dynamic?

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And I’ve served with many leaders where they were like, “I’m hesitant to, like, say that, you know, intuitively I felt this and this is why I went in this direction,” but I said, “That actually reassures a lot of the people that you’re serving because you’re not just making- Yeah.

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a logically based decision.

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You’re actually coming from your own intuitiveness, you’re coming from your own knowingness, and you’re integrating that into the decisions that you’re putting forth, and you’re showing that you have that compassion, that humanness,” and that’s soulful knowing as well, and that’s really empowering.

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Yeah, and I think I, I’m glad that you, you, you know, you refined it and you, like, that, that precision in what you were saying ’cause I totally agree with you, and I think that it’s not

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I think we tend to, we, like the general people in those corporate environments- Yeah.

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tend to think that the problem is saying that, “I got an intuitive hit,” or that, “The plant in the corner of the room sa-

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you know, told me.”

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And that’s actually not the problem.

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What causes a problem for some people, like what could cause and what is the perception problem is if you believe that you got that hit and that is the absolute only answer, and so therefore you cut off all other- Mm-hmm.

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Where instead, I think like you said, normalizing or showing, “Hey, I got that from the plant,” or, “I got that from, like, an intuitive hit.

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My guidance is telling me this.

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Now let’s go, let’s go verify that this is good.

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Let’s go-” Yeah.

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” like, start to apply it and then see where it takes us.”

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Like, it’s, it’s the after part of it- Absolutely.

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that, that gives it, that gives it that value, as you just said.

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And, and- Yeah.

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I agree with you completely.

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I mean, I’m somebody who doesn’t, even when I worked, I was just, you know, in that, that, that interview I was explaining to her a whole series of things and I never hid any of what I did or who I was or any of that type of stuff.

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But, uh- Mm-hmm.

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I did learn very quickly that it’s important for us to still treat that the same as I w- if I had market data that told me- Yeah.

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the exact same thing, right?

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I would then say, “Okay, I’m gonna take this as my foundation, and then now what are we gonna do to see whether or not this is the right direction for us?”

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And whether- Absolutely.

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it’s an intuitive hit, we have to treat it that same way.

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Absolutely, and that’s the beautiful piece about being a conscious, and being in your own consciousness of your own leadership is that you’re always willing to see and hear other people’s perspectives.

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If we’re not, we’re definitely in the ego, right?

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So- Mm-hmm.

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when we’re leading from the ego and the spiritual ego and we don’t want to, you know, hear anything different of, maybe it’s a metric, maybe it’s a data point, maybe it, it’s someone saying, “You know what?

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I, I feel,” maybe they have a different intuitive hit, maybe they have- Right.

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a different sensation.

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How do we bring these into collaborative spaces and how do we have openness and how do we have that dialogue and communication, and in a way that is very expressive and very accepting?

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And that is the piece is, uh, the more that we accept ourselves as leaders, the more that we can accept others, and when we’re not just calibrated from our perception and perspective, and if we create teams and we create an environment and we create a cultural dynamic that we want to entrust our team, then we also have to enter into those spaces with that profound knowingness.

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And with that being the baseline of every conversation, is that we’re always open to suggestions, recommendations, pivoting, perspective, perceptions, all of these fundamental pieces.

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I absolutely love this because it taps into a thread that, over time, I’ve, I’ve realized is really the most important thing, is that the more comfortable you become with whatever knowledge base you’re working from, whether that be an intuitive one or a learned one, it doesn’t really matter.

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The more comfortable you are, the more open, you know, the more you trust yourself, the more open you are to that dialogue that you just said.

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And I feel like especially when it comes to anything that is extra-sensory, let’s just say, or beyond the s- the 5 senses that we know- Mm-hmm.

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and beyond what we learn in, like, you know, traditional classrooms, I think that this is why it is so important that these things that we call gifts and talents really become your own and become something that you practice and you work with and you continuously have a relationship, because then it becomes something that you can dialogue with, and that means introducing others into the equation.

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The more you think of it as this, like, super special little talent that only comes in this way and therefore you have to listen to it because if not, something’s gonna go wrong, then- Yeah.

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you’re not able to integrate that into-

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your own life, but as well as the practices that you do with others in whatever, whatever kind of environment that you’re in.

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And so- Yeah.

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I’d really love to hear from you, like, how d- ’cause, you know, y- you mentioned, eh, just in your intro, so many different pieces, you know, your indigenous roots, your connection to nature, your connection then to your guides, and, and all of this consciousness.

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Can you tell us a little bit of backstory?

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Like, how

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Start wherever you- Mm-hmm.

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feel is comfortable.

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Like, where do you think you started from that helped you on the path towards that comfortableness- Hmm.

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that mastery that’s yours that means- Mm-hmm.

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“I could totally be wrong because it’s still mine and therefore, I, I, I’m open to this dialogue with others.”

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Absolutely.

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And that’s, you know, that’s such a beautiful question, it’s such a powerful question.

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And, you know, I really, before I even get into the story of it, is just that one piece that you are touching on is like, you have this internal medicine and you have your own inner truth, but your inner truth isn’t somebody else’s inner truth.

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And when we teach in conscious leadership is that my truth isn’t your truth, and your truth isn’t my truth.

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Depending on the soul memory, the soul history, the soul pathways, all of these things come into that interconnection, but there is a resonance of truth, and it doesn’t mean that your truth is gonna have the exact same pathways as my truth has, but there is going to be resonance.

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When we have a conversation, we feel the resonance of the conversation.

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We could feel that to sit in our knowingness and not go into, you know, the logical aspects of the brain and become more analytic with it, but we come more into the intuitiveness and the more knowingness of it where it actually speaks to the soul and doesn’t just speak to the brain.

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And the brain is a beautiful thing, but there is this piece that, t- you know, wh- every leadership conversation and every retreat, it’s always important that just because I see something or I have visions of something or I have channeled information of something, doesn’t mean that it’s congruent with somebody else, and it nor is it meant to.

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My mastery is my mastery, your mastery is your mastery, and how do we actually envelop those gifts and how do we develop them even more within you?

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And not through my guidance of myself, but through your own pathway and your own guidance, and how do we tap into that very powerfully and to be a place of empowerment and not disempowerment, because my truth isn’t your truth.

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So if I am cultivating teachings around my truth, then that isn’t in an integratory, that isn’t in the congruency of, of you, right?

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So that is, like, that differentiating point that I’ve really come to understand and innerstand within my pathway is that everyone has their own gifts and their own abilities, and we’re all each individually gifted, and we all have our own strengths, but we all come together as collective collaboration, and we all come together to be able to fortify and to be able to unify our strengths.

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And we learn from one another, we mirror one another, we, we are able to sit in somebody else’s alchemy and their truth, and we can actually say, “Where does this feel in the resonance of me?”

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And for me, in my pathway, ever since I was this little girl, I just had this deep knowingness.

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The angels would come to me.

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I was channeling at a very young age.

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And, you know, I’d have strangers come up to me and people come up to me, and I remember my mom just being like, you know, sitting back and being like, “Wow.”

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Like, people would come to me and share their whole life story with me and ask me, you know, which directional path that they should take or what was my perception, what was I kind of tapping into?

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And my mom was like, “You know, you should really be a counselor.”

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“You should go into psychiatry,” something like that.

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And that just never spoke in the resonance in me, but if I would have listened to somebody else’s truth of their perception and their perspective of me, I would have led myself down a path that really didn’t feel in the congruency of me in that now moment.

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And for me, it was just this thing that was my whole life, and I would try to explain to people, like, I just had this burning fire inside of me that I was meant to serve, and I didn’t know what that was.

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I didn’t know what that was gonna look like, but I knew that I was gonna have a global impact.

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I didn’t know for what, I didn’t know how it was gonna be, I didn’t even know what my strengths were, I didn’t even know where my gifts were because when you are you, you are you, and you don’t innerstand, and you don’t understand anything different than you.

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And I remember trying to have that resonance with other people, you know?

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Like, “Do you feel this way?

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do you see things?”

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Like, all of these things I was just trying to have some normalization because even though we wanna be individuals, at the same time, we also want to be like others and we also want to be in community when we’re learning our own identity and when we’re learning ourselves because that’s what we are taught.

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We are taught to be in a place of others’ acceptance and not within our own inner acceptance.

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So, that was a lot of my path and I went down the corporate world.

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I knew that I wanted to lead an organization.

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I didn’t know the pathway that I was gonna take to get there.

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As you know, we have, you know, hundreds and thousands of different pathways that we can choose, and I went down a corporate way and I lost a little bit of myself in, in these things because I allowed myself to be lost in those things.

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That’s the reality.

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We have the power of choice at any given moment.

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And it wasn’t that I lost me completely, but I lost that connectivity that I used to have so fluidly and so easefully that that was where I always had this assurance that I was on the right path or that, you know, everything was gonna be okay no matter what turbulence had happened in my life, no matter what experiences I was moving through, heavy, you know, light, I always knew that I was going to be supported and protected and cared for and no matter what, if I was to be here

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on the Earth or not.

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So, I just always had that knowingness and in corporate, you know, a lot of the times we’re focused on the bottom line, you know?

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Profitability, income, revenue drivers, you know, returns of investment, all of these things that were

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take a lot of your energy, take a lot of your time, and take a lot of just who you are, right?

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And it’s just, and it’s just that natural thing because I didn’t know how to cultivate my multi-dimensionality in that now moment.

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I just knew that business was business and that’s where I needed my focus and then I would, you know, when I commit to something, I commit 100% to something and I’m inundated into it and I’m, you know, working hard at it because if I commit to something, I’m gonna give it everything that I have.

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And that commitment to that also allowed me to have less commitment to myself and it wasn’t until I had my first near-death experience that I was like, “What the hell am I doing?”

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Yeah, and, and there’s, uh, ah, so many, so many, so many pieces.

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I love you, you

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I love how you put something that I talk about often also into a completely different vocabulary, and I think that that’s one of the things I love about doing this podcast is that it gives us the opportunity to, to hear it, as you said, from other people and then look at, like, where the similarities, where it is, which is, you know, we say here at DaManHa, there is no absolute truth in the world of form.

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Everything is relational truth.

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Everything is a fractal of the truth.

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And what you’re doing, uh, in gathering as many versions of this truth as possible is you’re assembling this fractal.

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And so yeah- Mm-hmm.

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like you said, the essence of truth, and, and you get closer and closer to it, the more sides of that fractal you start to fill up, you start to realize, but yet it’s always still fractional because it always is based on a person’s lived experiences, their past lives, their soul journey.

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Everything that they’ve had colors and filters that truth.

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So, even if you state exactly the same phrase, both people are gonna interpret that slightly differently because of that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so that’s actually the richness because in doing that, and I think that’s, that’s the reason why, you know, working with others in community or doing things in groups is so powerful because you get to assemble a more complete version of the truth that can then resonate out.

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You find also the essence that is common to everyone and at the same time- Yep.

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what is the part that is most resonant to you so that you can take it that way and others might find a different, a slightly different version of it, and yet we’re still applying the same common logic or the same common truth from the 2, the 2.

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And I just, I love that part.

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It’s one of the things that both living in community, since I live in community, as well as, um, I have an online community and doing so much really with others

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has given me this richness of seeing how my ideas or the things that come to me, or my gifts just get accentuated when they’re- Absolutely.

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put into that prism and you have all these other sides.

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And it might be in a direction I never expected, you know- Absolutely.

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or it m- it might even be discovering that something that I thought was innocuous was actually harmful if looked at from this angle.

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And so there’s just so much you can do there, and I think that that does help us go into other pieces.

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Another aspect that you touched on that I really enjoyed the way you, I really, really liked the way you positioned it, and I would give it a different, like, side of the fractal is, you know, it is common for most of us when we go into larger organizations of any type, whether that’s the corporate world or, you know, like you said, a spiritual organization or whatever, we do lose a little bit of a part of ourselves.

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And in some ways I- I’m starting to realize over time that one part of it is actually really positive in the sense that in that slight loss, you have an opportunity to kind of like, “Okay, I’m gonna take in, from a completely different perspective, a whole series of things, and I’m gonna put myself to a ce- certain extent a little bit aside just to be able to take that fully in.”

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What I think is the part that becomes problematic for most people is, which i- is that they don’t come back out of it.

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At some point you need to say, “Okay, now I’ve taken in this foundation.

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I have this new thing, whether it’s a new skill, a new point of view, a new way of experiencing the world, whatever, and now I’m gonna layer myself back into this because what stays with me is really me, is really important.

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And what doesn’t, maybe it was just, you know, something else that I needed to work through differently in this life.”

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And so I feel like there’s a period of that time, and is very useful, we talk about it a lot in Damanhur, how the first almost- almost 50 years, we’re- we’re now 50, 50, we’re in our 51st year, and the first 50 years to a certain extent, there was a lot, especially in the first 35 years, almost 40, there was a lot of like, “We’re gonna do certain things to build this new paradigm together.”

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And now there’s a very conscious effort to bring everybody’s color back in, in a way that really is expansive because now again you have this, like, shared foundation that we created, and now everybody can bring in their individuality.

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And this is what the principle that plants, for me at least, show me so clearly, which is an ecosystem has to have a shared foundation.

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Whether that’s- Mm-hmm.

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sand, whether that’s soil, whether that’s snow, whether that’s, you know, mountain air, whether that’s, uh, clay, we all have a shared foundation upon which all of us have had to adapt a little and give up a little bit of our nature, right?

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Like the house plants that are tropical living in my home in Northern Italy have had to give up some of that heat-seeking ability that they have because their new shared soil are pots and, you know, you know, soil that comes from a store or from a farm nearby, and so there’s all these pieces.

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What is important is at the next level of succession, as the forest or the ecosystem starts to evolve, you have to then bring in your characteristics.

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Otherwise, it’s just this weird, like, monoculture-y type thing, or it doesn’t have any richness and it’s not going to really evolve and create.

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And so I think that this is something that, like, we have to look at not so much as like, “Oh, it’s bad, I lost my color,” or whatever.

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It’s more like, “Okay, what’s most important is this is temporary.”

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you can’t let that be your solid state.

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That’s- that’s not where you are forever.

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That is a piece- Exactly.

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that you- you voluntarily put aside while you’re absorbing and you’re gonna bring in, into something new and such.

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And, you know, when we- when we think about our pathways, and not just in humanness but even in plant form and throughout even, you know, the animal kingdoms, there is this incredible element that we have this thing that we have to go through a state of processing and a- a state of integration.

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in order for actually for us to go in through that processing state and that integrational state is that we actually need to understand what we are being shown and what we’re being, what’s being revealed to us.

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And none of this is part of our identity, and we want to tie a lot of these things to our identity, and we wanna change the alchemy of our identity, but all it does is it just fortifies another little piece of the puzzle, and we gather another little piece of the puzzle, and we understand a little bit more about us in terms of our strengths, our growth opportunities, and all of these things that are actually being portrayed to us.

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So when we have these elements that we cannot be in the full embodiment of ourself, it’s also important that we have the awareness to be able to, maybe it may- may not in that now moment have the awareness, but there is that inner reflection and that self-reflection and that introspection that will naturally happen throughout our pathway where we’ll be like, “How did that feel for me?

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What did I learn from that experience?

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How can I take that and how can I grow from that and how can I- how can I master some of these aspects and how can I nurture myself even more profoundly and love myself even more profoundly and how do I adapt?”

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The adaptability piece is part of acceptance.

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How do I adapt to what I’ve come across in terms of the alchemy that has been presented to me and how do I actually integrate that into my life, even in plant kingdoms.

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And then the wisdom is that sometimes there is adaptability if weather is not in, you know, its most refinement states, then they are also adapting, and there’s always a lesson and period that we are going through integration and we are going through processing, but there’s always growth that happens from the base of that.

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Yeah, that is so true, and it- and we’re- I think we’re just, it- it goes back to the earlier statement we were talking about like when you start to really know yourself, that whole know thyself, you realize that you can easily pull pieces a- away, farther away from you or closer in, and you can, you start to really understand, okay, these are the times when I’m gonna adapt, these are the times when I’m just gonna accept the way that it is, or these are the times when instead I’m gonna hold fast because that’s,

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you know, also another aspect of it.

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But all- Yeah.

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of that requires going into a phase where you really truly understand your core essence, right, your- your true nature, uh- uh- uh, as, to say it in another way, and really go through that.

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I’m curious as to, you know, you mentioned earlier your Indigenous roots, you’re closest to nature.

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How does that fit into it and, like, where, wh- what- what is the, um, what’s the word I’m, I was about to use a word in Italian.

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That’s not gonna work.

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I have, there are certain words that they- they- they just sound more musical in another language-

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and so sometimes I try to pull them into it and I’m like, “Oh no, wait, no, don’t do that.”

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Um, where is the- where is the source that you pull from in- in that perspective?

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Yeah, so for me, you know, coming back to my pathway of my first near-death experience, that was really more the introspection of was I actually honoring myself and the full embodiment of myself of what I actually came here and set out to do in terms of my sacred mission and- and my mission of light?

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And for me, the answers were no to all of that, and how was I going to hold that, and how was I going to actually embrace that and to be able to witness that and- and thank and have so much gratitude and profoundness and thankfulness for everything that I had moved through and that I had learned and through where I had mastered until I had my second near-death experience, and that brought me more to the emotional concepts, the emotional being, and the emotional body.

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Where was I not allowing myself to be expressive?

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Where was I holding things within my physical body that was actually an emotion or a memory or an experience or an expe- like, anything of that nature of those exchanges?

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And for me, it was just this profound moment that then led into my third near-death experience, and then it was more about the physical body- Okay, wait, w- uh, we have to figure out what’s going on with this thing where you keep getting close to death.

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Like, should I be worried?

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It’s been- Should people around you be worried?

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It’s been about 5 years I’ve been good, so- Okay, good.

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but- But everything was so profound because every piece of it brought me to a deeper layer within myself, which obviously was contracted for me to be able to go through what I chose if I didn’t, you know, take the pathways that I had originally thought of.

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So- Right.

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I know that everything has its beauty and I know that everything has, you know, what is need for me to actually be the woman that I am today, but every near-death experience until my 4th one was more of a spiritual relevation-

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where it was just, like, this profound place where I was, like, really being called by my ancestors and by, you know, my Native American roots, my Metis roots, and really to understand the agricultural component and how we’re actually connected to the earth and to the animal kingdom, the plant kingdoms, and all of these things, and how are they interconnected, how are they interwoven, and how do they actually support, and how do we support them, right?

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It’s always reciprocal.

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What is that reciprocal exchange?

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And that 4th near-de experience really brought me to a pathway where I had a dream for almost 4 months straight.

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And one of my ancestors was coming to me in dream state, and she kept chanting me this beautiful song, and she was standing in front of these tipis, and there was 2 tipis side by side, and there was, like, this ravine right in front of her, and there was land across from it, and that, for a very long time, I didn’t understand

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the full conceptualization of what she was trying to convey to me.

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This was something that has been broken down throughout years and, you know, having conversations with my elders and really sitting with the alchemy of the spirit that had come through, and she was calling me to come and heal and to come and heal the land and to be able to come into my healing abilities and to be able

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We all have healing abilities.

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We can all heal within ourselves, but how do I actually come from place from all the near-death experiences that I have experienced, and how do I actually, you know, embody and guide and steward people to actually heal themselves in their own multi-dimensional complexities?

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And how they interconnect with everything that is around them and not just what is them or what is within them?

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So it was just a lot of teachings, a lot of alchemy.

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It probably would take me an hour to go through the whole pathway of that.

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But when I sat with the elders and, you know, I learned through my native studies and came back to the agricultural component of our plant medicines and just our plants and, like, how do we live and how do we engage and how do we communicate, all of these things with the trees, with the earth, all of these pieces, the water, everything, was so fundamental for me that I knew that this was my pathway forward, but that interconnectedness, that I was being called to step into that embodiment, was a profound experience,

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a very healing journey that I went into the forest for many, many hours and just cried and cried and cried and cried and cried and cried and cried, because I was reconnecting to my ancestry and to the knowledge and to the wisdom that was being shared with me, that I had some resistance to because of just how, you know, our cultural dynamic was perceived.

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A lot of it, you know, we held a lot of shame in terms of, you know, the generational and the anti-generational and the intergenerational pathways from historical places, that we were told to hold shame about our wisdom and our intelligence and all of these things that we knew about the earth and the interconnectedness of it.

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And there was that resistance where that wall was just like, fff, like flames came through and just, you know, abolished it, where it was just this beautiful engagement of wisdom and exchange and of my own healing and how can I actually effect deeper healing?

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How can I effect true healing?

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How can I teach people to sit in the alchemy of that?

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I’m so

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I’m, I’m just ex- you can’t even imagine how happy I am about this conversation because I think you’re tapping, uh, into certain principles that I think are something that has slowly developed over the course of the years that I’ve been doing this podcast.

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You know, obviously when I started, I thought, “Oh, I’m gonna be working very specifically with, like, people who are only working with plants in a certain way and how, you know, these, these, uh, I wanna show these models and these relationships and, and such.”

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Um, but over time, what I’ve realized is that the relationship, the relationships that are forged when you start to really understand your true nature and the fact that you are a being of nature leads to exactly the types of things that you’re talking about, and it’s

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and in a way that is very different.

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You know, we talk, people talk about the dark night of the soul and all these types of things, which powerful, wonderful.

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I’m so glad people are having those experiences.

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00:39:21,895.9999999995343 –> 00:39:52,016
But I think when you bring the land into that, when you allow that ancestral connection to your place, which for some is gonna be based on your people, for some it’s gonna be based on the physical location that you’re in, all these different aspects, but you bring place into it, then all of a sudden you’re having this, this experience, this, this reconnection that, uh, th- that is

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a reconnection to self, but plugged into a greater reconnection to the everything.

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And I think that that’s really the true essence, probably why I, I needed to go through the plants to get there, because not having those types of ancestral roots like you’re talking about, but having a different experience of being very disconnected in some ways to the land.

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I’ve been having

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Uh, just recently, I’ve been, uh, going back to

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So I’m Cuban of origin, and I feel so cheated of my background because we were

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My, my family’s from the exile, right?

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We were exiled from the country.

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And so it’s like I feel like I’ve been cheated from that land, and so I’ve had to reconnect back to land in completely different ways.

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And I think that, that these pieces that we’re talking about are so important for everybody to hear, because it’s, it’s not about what exactly is happening in that reconnection, it’s about the reconnection itself.

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Each one of us- Yeah.

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as we were talking about truth, is gonna go through it in a different way.

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Some of us are gonna cry, some of us are gonna go hug trees, some of us are gonna sit and lie on the grass, some of us are gonna, you know, do something.

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But it’s about recognizing that this thing that you’re going through, this conscious awakening that’s happening, happens in conjunction with all the other kin homes.

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It happens in- Absolutely.

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conjunction with- Because we are-

328
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all these other ways.

329
00:41:16,866 –> 00:41:17,360
You know- Go ahead, go ahead.

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Sorry.

331
00:41:20,706 –> 00:41:22,010
A- Yeah, absolutely.

332
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It does happen in conjunction with all these other ways, and that’s the beauty, because we are, you know, exactly what you touched on, we are nature.

333
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We are not separate from nature.

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We are not

335
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There’s no separateness, there’s no separation, there’s no segregation.

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We are nature.

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That is our natural ability and our natural state, is to be in the state of nature.

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When we utilize and we connect into the land and we actually have a relationship with the land, we’re actually in a reciprocal exchange where they’re helping transmuting- Absolutely.

339
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a lot of our healing.

340
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And it’s not just the earth, it’s the trees, it’s the wind, it’s everything that is interconnected.

341
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The animal kingdom that lives in the forestry also helps transmute energy, and we also transmute energy for them.

342
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It’s very reciprocal.

343
00:42:04,580 –> 00:42:04,920
Mm-hmm.

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So when we, when we come into these conceptualizations and these understandings and these innerstandings of who you really are, it’s

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When we go to a land and we offer it blessings and we give soul retrieval and we all, do all these things in terms of our offering of that reciprocal exchange, is that we are honoring the space and the land on which we are on.

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And when we come into healing grounds or when we’re anchored into an aspect of the earth or we feel connectivity to that place of the earth in terms of our origin or our traditions or that we feel called to the land, it’s because the land is calling us forward to come and sit with the land so that we can learn wisdom and alchemy of the land, and that we can have a reciprocal exchange with the land.

347
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It is never just one-sided.

348
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And how do we honor that if we’re called towards a plant, if we’re called towards a tree, if we’re called towards, you know, like you said, laying down on the grass and feeling the immersiveness of the electromagnetic field of the earth- Mm-hmm.

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ruminating through our body and putting us into our harmonic state where we’re actually resetting our whole circadian rhythm, and we’re actually being in a place that is actually resetting our whole central nervous system and our peripheral nervous system.

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So, we are always in exchange, we just sometimes, if we’re not tapped into the frequency of our energy and how we’re engaging and how we’re communicating, we are already having communication pathways and dialogue and conversation with the plants, with the grass, with the trees.

351
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All of these things are naturally happening, and sometimes we’re not consciously aware that they are happening.

352
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It’s something that is just naturally happening within energetic fields, because our energetic fields are our communication pathways.

353
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When we engage in humanness, my energies are already speaking to your energy- Mm-hmm.

354
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before we even stepped into this call.

355
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Right?

356
00:43:49,460 –> 00:44:06,096
We’re already stepping into those energy fields of connection with respect and integrity because we know that we’re coming into collaboration together to have a conversation, and it’s this, it’s no different when it happens with the plant kingdoms, with the earth, any of those elements that we are, because we are nature.

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I

358
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Yes, and yes, and yes.

359
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And I’m gonna add, fr-

360
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‘Cause somebody might be listening to this in the city and say, “Oh, but, you know, I live in a city.”

361
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That’s still nature.

362
00:44:16,920 –> 00:44:18,010
There’s still nature- That’s nature.

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everywhere.

364
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Be- besides the fact that everything around you is nature, no matter what.

365
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Like, yes, okay, you might have a little bit more polluted nature, but it’s still nature.

366
00:44:27,040 –> 00:44:29,560
But even so, it’s, this is not about

367
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When we talk about the land, of course it would be- Yeah.

368
00:44:32,240 –> 00:44:36,320
ideal if each of us, you know, had this barren area, this area

369
00:44:36,320 –> 00:44:37,500
Barren’s not the right word.

370
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This, like, vast area that is connected, like the, the scene that I have in front of me, in the window in front of me.

371
00:44:43,298 –> 00:44:50,660
But that doesn’t change that when I’m in, like, a city, whatever, when I go visit my family in Miami, there is nature everywhere.

372
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There’s the grass- Totally.

373
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like you said, in, around the house.

374
00:44:54,000 –> 00:44:56,580
There’s the house plants that are living with me.

375
00:44:56,580 –> 00:44:57,890
There are the trees that

376
00:44:57,890 –> 00:45:02,040
I mean, the, the, um, uh, birds that are flying around the sky.

377
00:45:02,040 –> 00:45:05,960
There’s even the ants that are trying to get into my kitchen, because there are always- Yeah.

378
00:45:05,960 –> 00:45:07,600
ants trying to get into the kitchen.

379
00:45:07,600 –> 00:45:10,910
Or the spiders that you keep trying to kill, because you’re like-

380
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“Ah, can’t have the spiders.”

381
00:45:12,520 –> 00:45:20,740
Like, all of this is nature, so one is if you still can’t feel it in your home, your apartment or whatever, go to a local park.

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Go sit

383
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Or go to a street tree and don’t be

384
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You know, look, all of us have done this, where we’ve been walking down a street that looks like a city street and just sit there and, like, hug a pla- a tree, or sit with a tree, and people are like, “What are you doing?”

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I was once, um, in a small little park in Shepherd’s Bush in London-

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um, and I was walking around doing an orienting of the trees and really communing with these beautiful, um, London planes that were there, gorgeously trees.

387
00:45:50,279.99999999953434 –> 00:45:58,130
And this, like, this older gentleman was sitting on a park bench, and as I walked by him, he looked at me and he goes, “May I ask you what you’re doing?”

388
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And I was- Mm-hmm.

389
00:45:58,550 –> 00:46:01,720.0000000004657
like, “Oh, I’m orienting and connecting into the trees.”

390
00:46:01,720.0000000004657 –> 00:46:06,100
Orienting in the Trees is a project that we do here in Diamond Heart, but I’m, like, “I’m connecting with these beautiful beings.”

391
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And he’s like-

392
00:46:06,996 –> 00:46:08,276
it’s quite lovely.

393
00:46:08,276 –> 00:46:09,006
And I was like-

394
00:46:09,006 –> 00:46:10,075
“Thank you.”

395
00:46:10,075 –> 00:46:11,195
And I was like

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00:46:11,195 –> 00:46:16,176
And you know, he’s- h- y- people appreciate because they feel what it is that you’re doing.

397
00:46:16,176 –> 00:46:19,606
It was just a small little park in the middle of a very busy city.

398
00:46:19,606 –> 00:46:19,736
Yeah.

399
00:46:19,736 –> 00:46:23,536
And he was sitting on his park bench, so he was getting it in that way.

400
00:46:23,536 –> 00:46:27,216
I was getting it by literally going and touching the trees around there.

401
00:46:27,216 –> 00:46:30,736
Other people were getting it by, like, lying on the grass there.

402
00:46:30,736 –> 00:46:33,756
It’s everywhere and we can connect back to that- Oh, yeah.

403
00:46:33,756 –> 00:46:36,368
essence that you were talking about, no matter where you are.

404
00:46:37,635 –> 00:46:38,296
Absolutely.

405
00:46:38,296 –> 00:46:47,945
And, you know, the beautiful thing is a lot of the times we have some oversight with, is that even the homes that we are within are made from- are all made from Mother Earth.

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00:46:47,945 –> 00:46:48,576
And it- Of course.

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00:46:48,576 –> 00:46:57,765
wouldn’t be i- in, in creational existence of the Earth if it wasn’t made from the Earth and it still carries soul memory, it still carries that resonance of nature.

408
00:46:57,765 –> 00:47:10,336.00000000046566
And how can we cultivate our space if we need a little bit more of, you know, those aspects of touch points that we can feel a little bit more immersed into nature on the maybe a heavier day or a lighter day where we just wanna feel embodied by it?

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00:47:10,336.00000000046566 –> 00:47:29,316
And, you know, I love that you’re saying about, you know, walking in the park and, you know, having commune with the trees because even when I go for walks or if I go on, you know, a hiking trail where I just really wanna be surrounded and enveloped into nature, for me, it’s like if I see a tree that isn’t doing well, how can I offer it healing?

410
00:47:29,316 –> 00:47:30,856
How can I, how can I speak to it?

411
00:47:30,856 –> 00:47:38,976
How can I be able to offer something and how can I go back and continuously ensure that this, that this tree can actually be a very healthy growing tree?

412
00:47:38,976 –> 00:47:42,066
So, it just depends on how you engage with it, right?

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00:47:42,066 –> 00:48:02,236
And someone, again, coming back to those inner truth pieces, is that someone else’s perception and perspective of how they’re absorbing the energy fields and the communication pathways of nature, they could be sitting on a park bench or they can actually be doing, you know, sacred ceremony around the tree or they could be laying by the tree.

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It just is really dependent on whoever is in that alignment where they actually feel the congruency, where they’re feeling the replenishment, the regeneration, and the restoration because they are a part of that essence.

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00:48:16,036 –> 00:48:16,536
Yeah.

416
00:48:16,536 –> 00:48:27,006
And it’s so important to keep just reminding people, like right now, I’m sitting, I have a beautiful, uh, oak table in front, I think it’s oak, don’t quote me on that- Mm-hmm.

417
00:48:27,006 –> 00:48:29,956
which is a matching set to the- this credenza behind me- I love it.

418
00:48:29,956 –> 00:48:31,416
for those that are watching the video.

419
00:48:31,416 –> 00:48:36,106
My feet are on the ground, I’m barefoot ’cause I tend to be barefoot all the time and my- Same.

420
00:48:36,106 –> 00:48:38,836.0000000004657
my flooring, my flooring is marble.

421
00:48:38,836.0000000004657 –> 00:49:02,856
And so whenever I feel disconnected, besides all of the plant friends that I have around me and out the windows and on the balcony and such, but even so, sometimes it’s as easy as sitting down and, like, taking a minute and taking a breath and feeling that, you know, marble underneath my feet or tiles are often made of, you know, clay and that is natural.

422
00:49:02,856 –> 00:49:06,656
Like, we wanna demonize everything- Yeah.

423
00:49:06,656 –> 00:49:14,016
but iron is still, comes from the earth, like the bamboo cup holder that you might have, like whatever it- Same here.

424
00:49:14,016 –> 00:49:15,156
might be.

425
00:49:15,156 –> 00:49:23,895.9999999995343
What’s most important is for us to almost feed into that essence, that, that, that whatever it is, even when we’re talking about our cellphone.

426
00:49:23,895.9999999995343 –> 00:49:26,415
Yes, it has all these other principles that are

427
00:49:26,415 –> 00:49:29,716
But there is rare minerals in there, there’s all kinds- So many things.

428
00:49:29,716 –> 00:49:31,196
of different aspects.

429
00:49:31,196 –> 00:49:31,206
Absolutely.

430
00:49:31,206 –> 00:49:35,556
And so it really becomes a shift in mindset that says my

431
00:49:35,556 –> 00:49:40,476
Just the same as we sometimes say, you know, your tribe bec- creates your vibe, you know, when you’re around- Yeah.

432
00:49:40,476 –> 00:49:42,716
the right people, you, you resonate.

433
00:49:42,716 –> 00:49:43,036
It’s the- Yeah.

434
00:49:43,036 –> 00:49:44,836.0000000004657
same thing with your objects around you.

435
00:49:44,836.0000000004657 –> 00:49:46,336.00000000046566
Like, if you- Mm-hmm.

436
00:49:46,336.00000000046566 –> 00:49:54,736
would take a second and realize that everything comes from a series of base materials that were, that are part of- Yes.

437
00:49:55,476 –> 00:49:59,716
the earth, that I’m part of the earth, it means that just holding this mug, the- Yeah.

438
00:49:59,716 –> 00:50:04,636
tea that’s inside of it and the beautiful plants that gave their lives, all of the different- Yeah.

439
00:50:04,636 –> 00:50:07,336.00000000046566
like everything that was for the ceramics that was.

440
00:50:07,336.00000000046566 –> 00:50:07,816
And if I- Yeah.

441
00:50:07,816 –> 00:50:12,432
do that and I take that second, I can, like you said, activate that on both ends.

442
00:50:13,116 –> 00:50:14,776
I can- Absolutely.

443
00:50:14,776 –> 00:50:18,800
pull it in, give it out, pull it in and give it out and have this relationship back and forth.

444
00:50:19,576 –> 00:50:20,020
Absolutely.

445
00:50:20,020 –> 00:50:23,950
And that’s the respect and the integral piece of our connection points.

446
00:50:23,950 –> 00:50:28,460
And, you know, it’s not about discarding things and treating things, you know, terribly.

447
00:50:28,460 –> 00:50:36,380
It’s about everything in our space has purpose, everything in our space has matter, and it’s all interconnected and how do we actually honor that?

448
00:50:36,380 –> 00:50:47,540
If I am going to give something back to the Earth and I no longer have a use for it, then I’m obviously in a place that I’m deeply honoring the purpose that it did serve, and all of these things come into play.

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00:50:47,540 –> 00:50:59,600
So it’s really important that we’re always, when we’re having those exchanges, that we come back to that remembrance that everything that is around us, that is tactile, that is physical, that we can touch, had to have come to the, from the Earth at 1 point in time- Right.

450
00:50:59,600 –> 00:51:01,744
or it wouldn’t be in creational existence of the now.

451
00:51:02,380 –> 00:51:02,740
Right.

452
00:51:02,740 –> 00:51:03,140
Right.

453
00:51:03,140 –> 00:51:03,460
Yeah.

454
00:51:03,460 –> 00:51:08,280
And it goes to, it’s that whole don’t demonize everything, because it doesn’t serve you.

455
00:51:08,280 –> 00:51:08,410
Absolutely.

456
00:51:08,410 –> 00:51:18,200
And if you put it to good use, then, I mean, nobody is saying that you should go off and specifically look for plastics, because, because there’s other principles.

457
00:51:18,200 –> 00:51:34,100
I think we confuse very much conversations where when we try to, like, demonize certain materials and things like that, that is because the extraction process creates other kinds of issues, that is because there’s a pollution process in all of that.

458
00:51:34,100 –> 00:51:35,480
And that is all true.

459
00:51:35,480 –> 00:51:36,740
Like, again, going back to- Yeah.

460
00:51:36,740 –> 00:51:37,680
the fractal of truth.

461
00:51:37,680 –> 00:51:38,720
All that is true.

462
00:51:38,720 –> 00:51:45,160
But once it’s in your house, then, at a minimum, bring it into that same resonance.

463
00:51:45,160 –> 00:51:57,180
Remember the origin of, you know, where all of those, those ingredients or those, um, those materials came from, and at least give that dignity back, right?

464
00:51:57,180 –> 00:52:01,700
You say, “Okay, well, I, you sh- you showed up in my house for whatever reason.

465
00:52:01,700 –> 00:52:07,184
You’re made out of plastic, which was of obviously oil originally, or you’re made out of this or that.

466
00:52:07,880 –> 00:52:25,660
I tried my best to make sure that you stayed in the Earth, because I feel like it’s better for you to have been in the Earth, but now that you’re no longer in the Earth and you’re here, and I’m gonna, you know, try to create the best relationship, because the best, the bes- the way I treat you is a reflection of myself because we’re both beings of nature.”

467
00:52:25,660 –> 00:52:26,740
Ab- absolutely.

468
00:52:26,740 –> 00:52:28,140
And it’s the process, right?

469
00:52:28,140 –> 00:52:37,900
It’s not, it’s not the purpose of the process, and it’s coming back to that we’re both beings of nature and how, you know, this is a valuable thing that I always teach my children.

470
00:52:37,900 –> 00:52:44,320
You te- like, you, you know, treat everything with respect and with dignity, and we don’t take anything for granted.

471
00:52:44,320 –> 00:52:54,540
And that means, you know, people, our items that we have in the home, everything that is around them, the plant medicine, like everything, like animals, even spiders.

472
00:52:54,540 –> 00:52:57,140
Like, you know how sometimes my kids are like, “Mom won’t let you kill that.”

473
00:52:57,140 –> 00:52:57,750
Like, you know-

474
00:52:57,750 –> 00:53:01,890
like, “You gotta save it, put it outside, or mom’s not gonna be happy,” you know?

475
00:53:01,890 –> 00:53:02,940
So- Exactly.

476
00:53:02,940 –> 00:53:07,600
unless it’s, like, a mosquito that’s trying to bite them, I’m like, “Okay, well, that’s, like, that’s nature, right?”

477
00:53:07,600 –> 00:53:11,180
If it’s, something’s gonna attack you, and naturally you’re gonna defend yourself, but- Right.

478
00:53:11,180 –> 00:53:14,040
you don’t just go and kill things for the sake of killing things.

479
00:53:14,040 –> 00:53:14,680
And- Right.

480
00:53:14,680 –> 00:53:21,200
those are valuable things that I teach them, because I think it’s important that they understand that that spider didn’t ask to be in our home.

481
00:53:21,200 –> 00:53:27,720
That spider didn’t know that it was making its way here, so how can we bring it to a place where it can still survive?

482
00:53:27,720 –> 00:53:33,760
And should nature be nature and something happen, that is not our responsibility and that’s not for us to hold.

483
00:53:33,760 –> 00:53:37,780
All we can do is honor the life that is, that it is in this now moment, you know?

484
00:53:37,780 –> 00:53:38,660
So- Yeah.

485
00:53:38,660 –> 00:53:44,340
it comes back to those fundamental teachings of exactly what we’re touching on right now.

486
00:53:44,340 –> 00:53:47,640
I love that, because I think that that’s really another huge element that we

487
00:53:47,640 –> 00:53:48,700
of consciousness, right?

488
00:53:48,700 –> 00:53:53,720
Being conscious is, has so many, obviously, facets to it.

489
00:53:53,720 –> 00:53:59,720
But one of those facets is the realization that when you realize that I am a being of nature, I have also a role, right?

490
00:53:59,720 –> 00:53:59,860
Mm-hmm.

491
00:53:59,860 –> 00:54:06,340
I as a human have a role in the ecosystems in which we play, and how do I honor all of this life?

492
00:54:06,340 –> 00:54:11,100
How do I ensure that I’m doing things that are about that web of life?

493
00:54:11,100 –> 00:54:13,020
That doesn’t mean thou shalt never kill.

494
00:54:13,020 –> 00:54:16,560
Actually, thou shalt not kill is a terrible tenet because there are- Mm-hmm.

495
00:54:16,560 –> 00:54:19,880
as, as a being of nature, there are things I’m supposed to kill, right?

496
00:54:19,880 –> 00:54:20,120
Yeah.

497
00:54:20,120 –> 00:54:27,675
I am supposed to, there, it is okay for me to kill, you know, a lettuce in order to eat that lettuce with harmony- Yeah.

498
00:54:27,675 –> 00:54:32,000
with, you know, with respect, and that ensures a cycle of life that continues.

499
00:54:32,000 –> 00:54:32,279.99999999953434
Absolutely.

500
00:54:32,279.99999999953434 –> 00:54:34,860
I have to just be part of that.

501
00:54:34,860 –> 00:54:47,100
And so I find that it’s really important for us to constantly just remind ourselves, “Okay, if I am a being of nature and everything around me is a being of nature, how I, how do I wanna be treated and then how do I treat everything?”

502
00:54:47,100 –> 00:54:48,279.99999999953434
And for what purpose?

503
00:54:48,279.99999999953434 –> 00:54:50,040
And for what purpose?

504
00:54:50,040 –> 00:54:50,100
Right?

505
00:54:50,100 –> 00:54:50,310
And for what purpose?

506
00:54:50,310 –> 00:54:51,720.0000000004657
And how do I show gratitude?

507
00:54:51,720.0000000004657 –> 00:54:59,760
Like, if we’re gonna take a life to, you know, ingest a life, if that is the process, like animal or whatever that might be, or vegetarian, doesn’t matter.

508
00:54:59,760 –> 00:55:00,730
Life is a life, right?

509
00:55:00,730 –> 00:55:01,680
A being is a being.

510
00:55:01,680 –> 00:55:02,980
A soul is a soul.

511
00:55:02,980 –> 00:55:12,740
So if I’m going to take that, I’m going to embody that, then how am I gonna show gratitude for that, and how do I say thank you for giving your life f- so that I can continue to live, right?

512
00:55:12,740 –> 00:55:14,660
So these are the fundamental pieces.

513
00:55:14,660 –> 00:55:20,460
It’s living with respect and with an integrity and with that knowingness, and it’s, it’s an honoring system.

514
00:55:20,460 –> 00:55:41,620
When you take a life, if we go hunting, you know, a lot of our Native American tribes, we hunt for our food, and if we’re gonna be in a place that we’re hunting, then we have to honor the entire being, uh, of what we’ve, of we’ve taken, and how do we actually come back to a place of restoration also, and how do we embody that whole, the whole being, the fur, everything?

515
00:55:41,620 –> 00:55:45,960
How do we take the whole alchemy so that that life wasn’t wasted?

516
00:55:45,960 –> 00:55:46,830
Absolutely.

517
00:55:46,830 –> 00:55:49,760
And I think that these are the other elements that are so important.

518
00:55:49,760 –> 00:55:51,770
It’s that, that respect.

519
00:55:51,770 –> 00:56:01,957
And, and I think that that’s the beautiful part of, if anybody has the opportunity to ever be and spend some time on a, on a farm or in that type of environment, you know-

520
00:56:01,957 –> 00:56:04,647
true hunters, true, true hunters- Yeah.

521
00:56:04,647 –> 00:56:06,008
use everything.

522
00:56:06,008 –> 00:56:11,558
Like, I mean, and- and because they’re like, “This being gave their life for me-” Yeah.

523
00:56:11,558 –> 00:56:21,668
” I’m gonna ensure that I respect this being enough to use every single aspect, from, you know, what’s within the bones to, you know, the eyes, to everything.

524
00:56:21,668 –> 00:56:29,058
If it can’t be eaten or it can’t be used, like you said, as a hide or a glue or a this or a that, and it’s incredible.”

525
00:56:29,058 –> 00:56:29,728
Then we give it back to the Earth.

526
00:56:29,728 –> 00:56:30,908
Exactly.

527
00:56:30,908 –> 00:56:32,988
Including, in some cases, the blood.

528
00:56:32,988 –> 00:56:36,108
I mean, there’s everything, there’s so many pieces.

529
00:56:36,108 –> 00:56:45,018
And if not, like you said, you give it back to the Earth, you give it to the other critters that maybe you now, in killing, you leave a piece that is for other beings- Yeah.

530
00:56:45,018 –> 00:56:46,468
that say, “Hey, great, free food.

531
00:56:46,468 –> 00:56:47,137
I don’t have to go-” Yeah.

532
00:56:47,137 –> 00:56:48,898
” and kill that myself then.

533
00:56:49,968 –> 00:56:50,218
Cycle of life, right?

534
00:56:50,218 –> 00:56:51,207
So yeah, cycle of life.

535
00:56:51,207 –> 00:56:52,228
It’s so beautiful.

536
00:56:52,228 –> 00:56:56,328
And I’m so glad you said it, which is a being is a being is a being, right?

537
00:56:56,328 –> 00:57:05,068
So you’re gonna kill life, whether your- it’s your, you know, like I said, your lettuce or the carrot or anything, they’re all beings that are alive and that are giving- Absolutely.

538
00:57:05,068 –> 00:57:06,378
of themselves in that aspect.

539
00:57:06,378 –> 00:57:06,808
Yeah.

540
00:57:06,808 –> 00:57:08,28.00000000046566
So beautiful.

541
00:57:08,28.00000000046566 –> 00:57:14,348
So as we start to wrap things up here, although I- I have a feeling, as usual, we can just sit here and, like, yap for hours- Yeah.

542
00:57:14,348 –> 00:57:15,688
which I love.

543
00:57:15,688 –> 00:57:18,568
And so as we start to wrap up, are there any, like

544
00:57:18,568 –> 00:57:19,728
I guess, what

545
00:57:20,548 –> 00:57:25,638
I don’t even know the right question to ask, ’cause I kind of am afraid that I would ask it and it would open up another one and we’ll be here-

546
00:57:25,638 –> 00:57:28,858
another hour, which I don’t necessarily mind.

547
00:57:28,858 –> 00:57:28,908
Yeah.

548
00:57:28,908 –> 00:57:37,552
Um, but I- I’m so curious as to what would be, like, kind of based on everything we’ve just talked about, what would be some of the final, like, principles or

549
00:57:38,268 –> 00:57:39,467
Maybe that’s not the right word.

550
00:57:39,467 –> 00:57:41,258
What’s the message you wanna leave people with?

551
00:57:41,258 –> 00:57:43,618
‘Cause you do some really incredi- credible things.

552
00:57:43,618 –> 00:57:44,588
And I just wanna make sure- Mm-hmm.

553
00:57:44,588 –> 00:57:54,256
that people get a good understanding of, you know, everything you’ve just talked about is the philosophy that you then bring and help people embody in and of themselves.

554
00:57:54,828 –> 00:57:55,608
how

555
00:57:55,608 –> 00:58:00,048
Where do they get in touch with you, how do they learn more about what you do, all those types of things?

556
00:58:00,048 –> 00:58:00,828
Absolutely.

557
00:58:00,828 –> 00:58:09,598
So I’m a little bit of a rare one, I don’t have any social media or anything of that nature, everything is done through my website, um, at the illuminationretreat.com.

558
00:58:09,598 –> 00:58:13,608
We’re gonna be doing a huge overhaul, I’m being called to- to do something new.

559
00:58:13,608 –> 00:58:19,717
But, um, right now the illuminationretreat.com, and we have so much information on there.

560
00:58:19,717 –> 00:58:29,678
And through our retreats, like if we are going to retreats because we are being called by the land, I don’t ever make a decision that I haven’t sat with and that I haven’t felt called to.

561
00:58:29,678 –> 00:58:40,227
So, someone that is looking for really deep self-exploration and self-understanding and understanding of themselves, these are perfect opportunities to come back into that interconnectedness of one, right?

562
00:58:40,227 –> 00:58:51,587.9999999995343
Of not just within themselves, but within all that is around them, and to be able to see life and to have that perception of life, their own perception, their own perspective of life that feels in the congruency of them.

563
00:58:51,587.9999999995343 –> 00:58:58,888
And for me, it’s- it’s the message that we are all light, we are all love, we are all matter, and we are all purposeful.

564
00:58:58,888 –> 00:59:08,928
And how do we live our life knowing that, and how do we live our life in the integrity of that for ourselves and teach the generations that are

565
00:59:08,928 –> 00:59:22,416
Even in the current generations, but the generations that are in the upbringing of, you know, sustaining the Earth and sustaining the planet and sustaining themselves as their own conscious leaders as they are developing and enveloping within themselves.

566
00:59:23,048 –> 00:59:24,068
I love it.

567
00:59:24,068 –> 00:59:25,508
I love it so much.

568
00:59:25,508 –> 00:59:26,568
Although I am

569
00:59:26,568 –> 00:59:33,872
I- I did go look when I was looking at your website, which of course we’re gonna include on- into the show notes, but I was looking and I was like, “Oh my goodness, she doesn’t have social media.”

570
00:59:34,598 –> 00:59:36,127
How does she do it?

571
00:59:36,127 –> 00:59:37,328
How does she do this?

572
00:59:37,328 –> 00:59:40,948
All client referrals, I’ve never really had a need.

573
00:59:40,948 –> 00:59:41,392
So

574
00:59:41,917 –> 00:59:49,318
That’s- I just- I just personally, like, my own personal belief system is I just don’t want to be on a platform that devalues another human being.

575
00:59:49,318 –> 00:59:52,136.99999999953434
And I’m finding it very hard on those platforms.

576
00:59:52,136.99999999953434 –> 00:59:59,477
So for me, it’s just, for my own congruency of myself, it’s important that I don’t have any energetic connections to- to those things.

577
00:59:59,477 –> 01:00:00,668
I- I really do admire that.

578
01:00:00,668 –> 01:00:09,068
That was the reason why I created the Naturally Conscious Community on a different platform, and I did a lot of research into the platform.

579
01:00:09,068 –> 01:00:25,710
It’s on a Mighty Networks, which is a- a- a female-owned company with, like, really high community standards and ethics, and it’s private, so, like, each one of the Mighty Networks, like, each one of ours are completely isolated pieces, because- I love that.

580
01:00:25,710 –> 01:00:32,720
as you said, I mean, I’ve been on social media since the very beginning, so it’s like this constant discussion.

581
01:00:32,720 –> 01:00:34,580
This is, uh, that you just mentioned.

582
01:00:34,580 –> 01:00:40,400
But I did know that I did not want, like, a Facebook group with, like, hundreds of thousands of people on it and such.

583
01:00:40,400 –> 01:00:40,720
Yeah.

584
01:00:41,320 –> 01:00:49,800
I wanted a place where we could feel safe, where everything was, like, ours, where we can make decisions, where we can control it, where there’s no, like- Mm-hmm.

585
01:00:49,800 –> 01:00:53,780
advertising in general of, like, somebody else or anything like that.

586
01:00:53,780 –> 01:00:53,800
Mm-hmm.

587
01:00:53,800 –> 01:01:01,220
I wanted a place that was for us to explore, because these topics, as we just touched on, are hard.

588
01:01:01,220 –> 01:01:01,230
Mm-hmm.

589
01:01:01,230 –> 01:01:01,260
Yeah.

590
01:01:01,260 –> 01:01:03,060
Like, they change the paradigm.

591
01:01:03,060 –> 01:01:12,600
We have that, that understanding and that inner-standing, as you’ve said, is something that develops over time, and you’re gonna make mistakes, and you’re gonna have confusion, and you’re not gonna understand it.

592
01:01:12,600 –> 01:01:14,240
“Oh my goodness, I just bought plastic.

593
01:01:14,240 –> 01:01:14,960
What do I do?”

594
01:01:14,960 –> 01:01:21,010
Or, “Oh, I just had a conversation with a plant in the middle of this, like, airport, and I wasn’t, I wasn’t sure what to do.

595
01:01:21,010 –> 01:01:22,260
Like, how do I deal with this?”

596
01:01:22,260 –> 01:01:22,880
Or, you know- Yeah.

597
01:01:22,880 –> 01:01:27,340
there’s all these kinds of conversations, and we wanna be able to have those in a safe- Yeah.

598
01:01:27,340 –> 01:01:35,780
And so the Naturally Conscious Community was really created for that, and that’s why it’s on its own platform in a completely different way.

599
01:01:35,780 –> 01:01:36,260
Yeah.

600
01:01:36,260 –> 01:01:39,200
I love that, and I would do something very similar to that.

601
01:01:39,200 –> 01:01:43,380
And it’s just been, I’ve just been very fortunate that it’s just been word of mouth for- Yeah.

602
01:01:43,380 –> 01:01:44,640
you know, my business practice.

603
01:01:44,640 –> 01:01:50,540
But like, those are the platforms where we’re not being inundated with somebody else’s agendas, right?

604
01:01:50,540 –> 01:02:07,460
And it’s really important, those topics, that you actually have the safety and the security and the stability, and the comfortability to be able to share in those spaces without judgment, without perception, without perspective, and just to actually be heard and to be witnessed.

605
01:02:07,460 –> 01:02:24,080
And that is such a beautiful space that you’re cultivating, and the dynamic cultural aspect of that is so beautiful and so empowering, that people actually have that place to be within themselves in their fullest self, in their fullest expression, and that is a blessing.

606
01:02:24,080 –> 01:02:25,240
Yeah, absolutely.

607
01:02:25,240 –> 01:02:27,100
And it’s so, and it’s so important.

608
01:02:27,100 –> 01:02:29,540
We need that safety in this, uh, this- Absolutely.

609
01:02:29,540 –> 01:02:32,210
unpredictable world that we live in, we need this.

610
01:02:32,210 –> 01:02:35,489
Roxanne, this has been, like, a fantastic conversation.

611
01:02:35,489 –> 01:02:35,520
Mm-hmm.

612
01:02:35,520 –> 01:02:37,040
I am so grateful for you.

613
01:02:37,040 –> 01:02:37,060
Yeah.

614
01:02:37,060 –> 01:02:40,844
Of course, I will include everyth- you know, your website into the show notes- Yeah.

615
01:02:40,844 –> 01:02:43,329
and tell people about what it is that you do.

616
01:02:43,329 –> 01:02:43,360
Mm-hmm.

617
01:02:43,360 –> 01:02:46,120
And for those of you that are listening, please go check it out.

618
01:02:46,120 –> 01:02:51,590
If you’re looking for a retreat, you’ve just found, you know, the place to go for that.

619
01:02:51,590 –> 01:03:05,500
And if you’re looking for a space where you can have these types of conversations, where we can explore them across money, many different mediums, speaking and drawing and writing, and you know, reading and all kinds of different things, please come into the Naturally Conscious Community.

620
01:03:05,500 –> 01:03:07,620
We would really love to have you.

621
01:03:07,620 –> 01:03:14,660
And if you wanna work one-on-one to go deeper into this way of being in your own life, I’m always available.

622
01:03:14,660 –> 01:03:15,840
Feel free to contact me.

623
01:03:15,840 –> 01:03:18,140
Everything you need is in the show notes.

624
01:03:18,140 –> 01:03:22,680
But for now, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

625
01:03:22,680 –> 01:03:23,984
That’s it for this episode.

626
01:03:24,960 –> 01:03:25,552
Bye.

627
01:03:26,920 –> 01:03:30,288
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of Reconnect With Plant Wisdom.

628
01:03:30,800 –> 01:03:41,168
To continue these conversations, join us in the Naturally Conscious Community, your premier online ecosystem for plant reawakening and accelerated evolution, and co-creation with otherkin.

629
01:03:41,780 –> 01:03:51,184
Here, you’ll find expansive discussions, interactive courses, live events, and supportive group programs like the Plant Wisdom Book Club and the Sprouts Writing and Creativity Group.

630
01:03:51,820 –> 01:03:57,080
Connect with like-minded individuals collaborating with plants to integrate these insights into life.

631
01:03:57,080 –> 01:04:02,200
Intro and outro music by Steve Sciulli and Poinsettia from The Singing Life of Plants.

632
01:04:02,200 –> 01:04:05,780
That’s it for me, Tigrilla Gardenia, and my plant collaborators.

633
01:04:05,780 –> 01:04:10,580
Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

634
01:04:10,580 –> 01:04:11,280
I’m out.

635
01:04:11,280 –> 01:04:11,870
Bye.