Ep.135 It Was Never Just Me and the Trees with Rebecca Tickell

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Hello, hello, hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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It’s me, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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Today’s conversation reaches into that tender place we all know.

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The one that asks, “What if my sense of disconnection isn’t because, I don’t know, something is wrong with me, but because I’ve forgotten how to listen?”

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And if you’ve ever looked out into the world, all of the chaos, and the exhaustion, and the noise, the noise, the noise, and thought, “There has to be a better way to live,” this episode is for you.

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Because today I’m joined by Rebecca Trekell, a filmmaker, a storyteller, and a regenerative visionary who holds lives at the crossroads of activism and surrender.

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Someone who knows what it means to both fight for the Earth and be softened by her.

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And probably somebody you know.

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Once we get into her list of films, I am sure you have probably either heard of or at least watched one of them.

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So today, we’re going to explore what happens when we stop trying to save the planet and start remembering that she’s already speaking, already guiding us home.

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Rebecca and I talk about deep grief of disconnection, that quiet ache that is just so many of us carry, and also that hum of fear, that deep, deep down fear that just happens to be there, and how it begins to heal the moment we stop seeing ourselves as separate from the living world.

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We explore what it means to trust the intelligence that moves through the soil, through breath, through our own bodies, and we remember that sometimes, the most radical act is not to do more, but to listen deeper.

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You’ll hear us speak about the way plants and landscapes mirror our internal transformations, and how regeneration begins not only in the soil, but in the soul, and about how the future we long for, one of balance and kinship and reverence starts with remembering that we were never meant to walk alone.

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So, if you’re feeling a little weary or uncertain and about how to live in harmony w- in a world that often feels like it’s forgotten itself, let this episode be a soft hand.

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Let this episode be what holds you, and keeps you safe, and reminds you that you’re not separate, you’re not behind, you’re part of a much larger conversation that’s been happening all along.

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Welcome to episode 135: It Was Never Just Me and Trees: How Nature Speaks Through Us with Rebecca Trekell.

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Welcome to Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

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I’m your host, Tigrilla Gardenia, nature inspired mentor, certified life coach, and the founder of the Naturally Conscious Community.

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For over a decade, I’ve been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.

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In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge from biology to spirituality about the wondrous ways of plants.

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Together, we’ll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.

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Rebecca, I’m- I’m actually, I have to admit, I’m- I’m- I’m a little, like, uh, star gazy and really excited to have this conversation with you.

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I’ve been looking forward to it since the first time we jumped on the call.

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And so, uh, but before we start, before we start and I start tumbling out with the billions of questions that are running through my head already, can you tell everybody, you know, who is Rebecca?

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Do you like to go by Tickle?

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Is it Tickle, like Tickle?

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Tekell.

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Tekell.

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I just like Tickle better.

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Tickle’s so much better.

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It’s okay.

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I like to tickle people’s consciousness, so it’s either- Oh.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So Rebecca Tekell.

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Tell- tell everyone before I start gushing over you.

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Thank you.

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Um, I’m Rebecca Tekell.

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I am an activist, I’m a filmmaker, I’m a mom, I’m a regenerative farmer.

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Um, I started off as a young person in Hollywood, in show business.

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I starred in a Christmas movie classic called Prancer with Sam Elliott, um, and that taught me that films really can reach the world and make a difference.

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And when I came out to Hollywood and I was in a bunch of horror movies and then I realized, “I want to use storytelling to heal the planet.”

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And so for the last 2 decades, I’ve made over 20 films.

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Um, the first film that I produced was called Fuel, and that won the audience award at Sundance back in 2008, and since then, it’s been a very long journey of environmental activism and documentary filmmaking, um, that led eventually to making Kiss the Ground and then Common Ground, which are about regenerative agriculture and have reached billions of people, and have helped to reshape the way that the world thinks about agriculture.

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And, um, a recent film called Be Wild and then another movie I made called The Earthing Movie, which I really love, um, which is on YouTube, which is about how not only can we heal the Earth, but the Earth can heal us.

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And so all of the films that I make in my work and my purpose in life is to wake people up to the power of regeneration, to get one billion acres into transition through regeneration globally, and to connect and restore our love of nature.

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I love it.

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I love it all.

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So I first became familiar with your work with Kiss the Ground, like many others, that that was kind of like the foray into the work that you’re doing, and, you know, as you said, one of the things I love is- is that premise, that storytelling, and especially that storytelling through film, just has a way of cutting through all of that red tape, you know, all of the fears about the science behind it and all these different aspects.

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When a person

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I mean, we are a visual, um, w- vision is our top sense as human beings.

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So the idea of vision with an immersive, like, soundtrack with all those things just moves so much of the consciousness, so it makes sense to me.I’m curious as to how you ended up in environmental activism.

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Like, you know, here you go from acting, I can get why you go from acting to producing, especially after a horror film stint.

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I mean, come on.

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But, like, how do you end up in environmental activism rather than, you know, Hollywood films of, of other genres?

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I grew up in Vermont, in the middle of nowhere, on, um, 100 acres of land.

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So I was really lucky to spend most of my childhood in nature.

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And I spent most of that time alone in the woods.

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And so when I was a kid, my conversations were with the trees, and- Yes.

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um, you know, I really learned how to listen to nature and how to revere nature, and I saw the power of nature when we would have these huge ice storms and we’d get cut off from the rest of the world.

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Um, and then just the seasons of nature and the feeling of all the changes of what the weather brings.

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Plus I come from a legacy farming family, so I can count many d- generations back in my family of farming, and so it’s in my blood, that connection to growing food and to being a steward of the land.

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However, in my family, um, they got sucked into the Green Revolution.

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So my father used to stand in vats of DDT and 2,4-D to clean them out, and then he would spray them on the field, and then he would get out of school at the age of 12 to go home and plow the field.

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So, um, and they got out of tilling because of the Green Revolution, and they started no-till, but unfortunately, with that came the introduction of these chemical inputs onto the farm.

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And with that became the teri- deterioration of health in my family, and I’ve witnessed th- how these chemicals can affect people and the illnesses that they can cause, um, firsthand with people that I love.

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So I think all of that combined with being 26 years old and sitting in a theater in Los Angeles at the end of my acting career wondering what I was going to do next, watching An Inconvenient Truth- Hmm.

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and realizing, “This is what my life is about.”

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Because I didn’t feel hopeful at the end of that movie.

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I felt doomed.

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Mm-hmm.

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But that’s not my nature.

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My nature is if there’s a problem, then there’s a solution.

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So, um, that became my personal mission at that point, was like, “How am I gonna tell stories that are going to look at the pathway for how we can solve this problem?”

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Versus trying to fix it with, like, a paper straw or a light bulb.

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Like, that wasn’t

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Logically, I knew that that was not the answer.

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Um, and you know, for the last, you know, since 2006, that’s nearly 20 years, it’s been paralysis around climate change.

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And it’s because there hasn’t been really any clear focus on what the path forward could be, of how we could actually take that teraton of carbon and put it somewhere, because no amount of reducing emissions will do anything about the teraton of carbon that we’ve emitted.

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There has to be some place for it to go.

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Reducing emissions may slow down the rate of increase of carbon in our atmosphere, but it’s not going

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I mean, we’re not even at sustainable right now.

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This is the way I view it.

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Sustainable, which is not a good path, ’cause we’re on a path towards desertification and destruction, and then degeneration, and then regeneration.

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So what we need is regeneration.

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I think as soon as I saw that film, given my love of nature, given the access in Hollywood and the people that I knew, and wa- the way I know stories can change the world, I was just crystal clear that that was my path, that I needed to start telling stories about nature and looking for solutions.

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And so that’s been the theme for the last 20 years.

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I really love the, the fact that you touched on, which is so important, is the aspect that films can’t be just doom and gloom, because people then walk out of them feeling hopeless.

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Mm-hmm.

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And when you’re hopeless, you just go home and you self-soothe, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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The disconnection becomes even wider.

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The idea that I am disconnected from nature, that trauma comes up, the fear comes up, and you just feel like there’s nothing you can do about it, and so why the hell even try?

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And at that point, you yourself don’t even take care of things that you know you could do in your own life because you’re like, “Why do it when they’re just telling me that it’s all gonna go to hell in a handbasket anyway?

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So let, let that go.”

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And I really enjoyed that that, that was an influence for you of saying, “That’s not what I wanna do.

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I don’t wanna create that.”

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I’m gonna g- Uh, there’s, like, 3 or 4 points that you touched on that I want to, but I’m gonna go back a little bit because I wanna hear about this communication with trees

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Like- Yeah.

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I wanna, I especially wanna hear th- h- Hear, c- hear me out for one second because in, in all the people that I’ve spoken to, even staunch pe- Like, people who love the environment in general, there is still a, a kind of different breed, permit me for using that term for a second, between those that have a love of nature because of resources and climate change and, you know, ecosystem services and

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everything that is there, which is kind of where I started my world.

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I mean, I was in biomimicry and I was thinking about, you know, doing the right thing.

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It’s kinda like

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And then there’s the other side of it that is, I have this deep relationship with the beings of nature that I want to bring into the conversation that we’re having in some ways.

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Now, in some

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It’s getting easier and easier to say I talk to trees and people being like, “What do they say?”

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And, “Tell me everything,” and, “I wanna know more,” luckily.

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But that’s only been recently, in the last few years, where that’s come to that place.

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I’m really curious as to how you bring those beings of nature that you have had such deep relationships with into your work.

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Like, is it a conscious thing?

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Do you have a practice?

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Or is it more just it’s such a part of you that you almost don’t feel

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Walk me through it.

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For me, uh, you know, I can get very much in my head and I can think through things, and my ideas aren’t, aren’t always the best, if I’m honest.

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And, um, I think the best work that I do aren’t my ideas.

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And I know that that sounds strange, but for me, um, when I’m able to get out of my thoughts and when I

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The way I love to do it is I have this tree and, um, and there’s clover all around it.

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And so when I get into my head and I’m stuck, um, I just go and I lay down in the clover under the tree, and I sort of surrender myself to the earth.

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And there is a science behind that.

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Mm-hmm.

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There is an actual science of earthing, which is what I made the Earthing movie about, which is that electron charge.

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I mean, that’s how science describes it.

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Science describes it and has proven with tons of peer-reviewed studies that when you actually touch the earth, your body gets an electron charge from the earth and that thins your blood viscosity, it lowers your heart rate, it lowers your cortisol levels, it starts to balance your hormones.

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And, um, if you watch the Earthing movie, you’ll see all of these before and after photos of what happens to your body after 15 minutes of being connected to the earth.

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And it’s

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It reduces inflammation in your body.

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And, uh, inflammation is what is the source of most disease.

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And there’s more to it than just reducing inflammation in your body, I think.

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It’s not just that you’re getting an electron charge, in my opinion, because I think science can only see so much of what that is.

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And I am s- I’m curious about what that is, and I have my own intuition of what that is.

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But when I’m laying in that clover and I’m receiving that electron charge from the earth, which is how we’re meant to be, by the way.

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Like, we come from the earth.

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We are electrical and we need that electron charge to live because we’re supposed to be in balance with the same, um

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You know, we’re, we’re, we’re supposed to have constantly that electron charge.

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I mean, indigenous people knew to cover themselves in mud when they were ill, ill, that the earth heals.

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And so

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And they’ve done all these tests at people who are earthing and people who aren’t.

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But I don’t think that actually captures the whole essence of what that is.

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And so when I lay on the earth, it more, for me, is like in the movie Avatar, when they take their hair and they plug it into the earth and then they get that wisdom from the earth.

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And to me, that’s how the trees speak to me, is, um

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It’s more than an electron charge.

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It’s like being connected to all of it.

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And when I allow myself to be connected to all of it and I’m getting that charge from the earth of whatever that is, and I clear my mind and I stop trying to control everything, sometimes I just get hit in the head with whatever the thing is, like, when I’m not even expecting it.

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And so the best things that I’ve done, the things that have most resonated, they hit me like that, and it’s usually because of those conversations with the trees where I allowed the information to come through versus trying to control it, figure it out, solve it, fix it.I, that’s, that’s, it, perfect because you know that they, they, there’s a lot of people who think that Avatar was based on my community?

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Because the original writer was an Italian, so they think it was based on Damanhur.

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On where I live, um, because we do have a lot of practices that are very similar.

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We do have a-

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a mother tree, Diamantel, who is like, you know, the tree of our sacred woods temple, and so there is many similari- Um, obviously, we don’t have all that flying, which I would like, with the giant

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Being giant and blue?

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I mean, blue is one of our colors, but being giant and blue?

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No.

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But we do have a lot of similarities and a lot of other aspects.

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Astral projection, y’all.

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You know?

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It’s, exactly, so-.

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You know, we do do a lot of that too, so I’m, I’m okay with people thinking that, that we, uh, that Avatar is based on Damanhur.

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I’m, I’m good with it.

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Um, but I love, I love what you said because you, you’ve touched on kind of the way that I also approach things, which is this mix of understanding the, the science that has already been understood, because we know that, that science only can know so much.

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There are a lot of things that we don’t yet have tests for, we don’t really know how to read.

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I mean, from, from a Damanhurian perspective and the way that we look at things, and the work that I’ve done with plants very closely is that that electrical connection, um, uh, taps into our aura, which is really an electromagnetic field, right, all around us.

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It has our subtle bodies, which are the layers that make up the aura, where our soul hosts all of our talents and our skills.

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I’ve been working with, uh, this little plant right here for many years on reawakening my subtle body of imagination, and, you know, for u- for me, with this plant, who does not speak also in words, it’s, it’s about movement, and it’s the more that I move my body, the more that I allow myself to process through that m- that motion.

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That’s when everything kind of starts to make sense, because as my subtle body taps into that electromagnetic field, as

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And I’m also a

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I’m almost always barefoot.

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I hate shoes.

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Um, it’s, it’s now that we’re getting close to winter, I try my hardest not to even wear socks.

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Most of my shoes are barefoot shoes, including my hiking boots.

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They’re barefoot- Mm-hmm.

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hiking boots, so they’re really like thin-soled, very like almost, almost nothing.

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And it’s because of that, because that is that connection, besides the fact that grass are my best friends.

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Like grass.

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Grass and I, we get

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So I can understand the Clover.

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Grass and I are like buddies.

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That’s my, my recharge of all recharges.

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I did a whole- And actually, grass is the most conductive of that electron charge, more than- Exactly.

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anything else.

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So, of course you’re gonna like being in grass because that’s where you’re going to get the most of that, whatever that is.

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And you know, I just did a whole episode on grass, on, on the relationship with grass, because there are so many aspects to life that help us, um, that we can understand better when we think about ourselves in that connection with grass, both s- physically what we get out of it, everything you just mentioned relating to the earthing process and the electron charge and all those pieces, but also the fact that, you know, grass is about being trampled on.

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It’s about mixing it up.

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It’s always about community.

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I mean, there’s just so many elements, and so, so that, that pulls into it.

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Do you find that once you have the idea, like once you start with, you know, developing the project and whatever idea that you have into place, do you feel like there’s also moments that you bring, you know, that you find yourself kind of saying, “Oh no, I need to go consult-” Yeah.

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with, you know, the tree, or with this, with Clover, with whomever it is that’s around?

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And second question that’s kind of a s- second part of it is, once you start filming or once you start the production of it, how do you bring that to the others that are working with you?

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Because I can imagine that you have this deep connection, and I’m sure just based on talking to you, that you transmit it in so many ways, but is there a y- you want everyone that’s working on the project to really feel that connection for themselves in their own way and to develop it.

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Is that something that you encourage as a culture for the production team?

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I- is it, is it something that you, you know, ask them to do or maybe guide them to do as part of the process?

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You know, being an environmental documentary filmmaker, I would say we’re not the highest paying and we don’t have-.

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the largest budgets, you know?

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So, um, in that sense, we’ve had the benefit of attracting people who are like-minded.

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Mm.

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Because we can’t always pay the top rate for the best person- Right.

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So, we naturally attract people into our team that 100% are on board.

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And sometimes we’ve had people that just, you know, they’re talented but, and they’re like, “Okay, yeah, I’ll do a good thing.”

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But they don’t really believe it or know much about it or have had much experience with it.

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And usually during the process, it’s an opening for them.

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Usually when they get into this and they, they’re with us and they’re on interviews and they’re listening and they’re in these spaces, you know, everything happens for a reason.

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And we attract just the right people who are ready for exactly this message at this moment.

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And so not everyone comes to us with a lot of knowledge around this, but certainly everyone who’s worked on these projects has been deeply touched in major ways and have had, like me, their eyes opened over and over and over again that all of this wisdom that’s out there that has to do with healing and nature and the earth and climate and how it’s all connected.

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And ultimately, people who work with us, their diets improve, they eat, they stop eating foods that are chemical, chemically doused.

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They get an understanding of how nutrition works.

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They start to take better care of their health.

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You know, people who maybe thought, like, earthing was a woo-hoo practice, now they’re, like, you know, on set without their shoes on.

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So, you know, if they don’t come to us with that love per se in the beginning, maybe there was something that brought them to us that, you know, this was the message for them at this time.

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And I think there’s- And this is, and this is what I, this is what I think we all need.

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We need to experience these things in our own way, right?

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For them, they’re experiencing it through a love of filmmaking, right?

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Which is why they’re working in this industry, why they’re doing these types of things.

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And so that opens

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You’re already kind of in your environment from that perspective, pardon the pun, and so therefore, you’re, you’re a little bit more open, and so you can hear that message more clearly.

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And not just the message that comes from the, from the film itself, right?

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From, from making that film, but also the message that you’re, you are transmitting that, that is kind of piggybacking on, that’s coming from tree, coming from that tree, coming from Clover, coming from that experience.

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I, I think, I feel like these are the important aspects of how we unite people.

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We don’t do it by telling them to do something.

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We do it by allowing them to do it and feel it themselves.

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And then from there, as you just said, I, I also had the same experience in my own, in my own work and also with many of my clients.

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Like, your diet naturally starts to change, your, your process

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Like, the products you buy, you start looking at things going, “Wait a minute.

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Would I

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No, no, no.

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I, I don’t need that.”

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Even your needs change, which I find also a really interesting one.

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It’s hard to explain to people that how much a deep connection with the natural world changes you in the sense of you don’t hi-

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You don’t have to go tell somebody, “Don’t buy, don’t, don’t buy plastic,” or, “Don’t perpetuate this,” or, you know, “Don’t overeat even,” because you just naturally don’t do it.

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There’s a, a shift that happens in the way that you experience the world, and therefore it’s not necessary.

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Mm.

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I, I, I kind of wanna go forward, and then I’m gonna go backwards, and then I’m gonna go sideways so far- Good job.

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try to follow her path.

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Because I have, like, 3 strains of thought that are coming in different perspectives.

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One of them is relating to going forward, which is, um, I’m curious.

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Okay, so I started, um, I started working closely with plants in around 2012-ish, was when my plant reawakening and the work that I started doing kind of started to come up in that perspective.

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And then in my work, I’ve had the privilege of being, because I have a master’s in vegetal future with, um, plants, which is Plant Social Innovation & Design with Stefano Mancuso, I went back to the birth of plant neurobiology, to when we first in about 2006 started to contemplate and, uh, discuss more openly in the scientific world the intelligence of the plant world and many of these principles that were going.

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And it’s been very interesting to watch a parallel progression between things that have magically been done here in Damanhur with the reconnection with the plant world, which is one of our missions, and we have an entire tree orienting project that is to help rebuild the, the kind of energetic mycelial networks that have been cut off by human deforestation and soil pro- problems and all these different aspects, and to reconnect this mabas network of vegetal intelligence back

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also into the human world, so th- this kind of mix.

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So I, I, I’ve kind of been looking at these paths that are all sort of supposedly happening parallel, and watching how in the last probably about 10 years especially, there’s been this, at least from my point of view, quickening, this acceleration of much more u- understanding of the science behind things, a, a lot more acceptance.

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I mean, there’s still a raging debate around plant consciousness and f- and human neurobiologists who can’t accept that there’s a consciousness outside of the brain, but that we’re not even gonna get into probably.

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But I’m curious as to if in the work that you’re seeing, also with your contributions and the films that you’re doing and such, do you see that kind of quickening?

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Like, are you seeing that people are starting to-

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more easily accepted?

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Do we see the climate conversation changing to be not so much about, like, like, you, you know, doom, gloom and it’s all about, like, this aspect of carbon as resource, but more of like, “Hey, our planet is this living, breathing, sentient being with all these other sentient beings on it, including all the plants that are there, and, uh, what the hell are we doing?”

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Like, are you seeing the conversation shift?

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Mm-hmm.

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So I’ll give you 2 great examples.

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Um, one is right before the Thomas Fire here in California in 2017.

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We uploaded, uh, the short version of the Earthing movie onto different social media platforms as we were racing to evacuate, and then we had to kind of disappear for a couple of months because we couldn’t come home, so we ended up in Australia.

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And we went to this, like, obscure place in the middle of nowhere to this yoga class, and the teacher at the beginning of class started talking about this short film that she had just seen on Facebook.

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And, uh, I remember we were laying there on the yoga mat just thinking, “Okay, this is cool.”

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And she’s like, “No, but it’s about earthing.”

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And I remember thinking, “Oh, that’s funny.

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Somebody else made a movie about earthing too.”

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Like, this is really-

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100 Monkey Theory.

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And then she starts to go on, and then all of a sudden, I realized it was my film.

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And I was like, “How in the world did she see it?”

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And then w- I mean, we were like, “Wait, where did you see this?

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Like, w- we made that film.”

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And she did not believe us at all.

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She thought we were, like, totally cuckoo.

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It had been viewed over 120 million times, and we had done nothing.

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Nothing.

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It’s been viewed, the full length has been viewed over eight million times on YouTube.

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We’ve done nothing to promote that.

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So that’s an example of putting something out there, having no expectation whatsoever, and then watch.

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I mean, people come up to me all the time, and I think that they’re gonna say something about Kiss the Ground or about Prancer, but usually the people that are the most touching and moved are those people who come up to me and they say, “I watched the Earthing movie, and your story changed my life.

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And because of you”

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And then fill in a story about healing.

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“My mother, my father, myself, my sister, my child.”

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It’s just amazing how that works, you know?

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It’s not from me.

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It’s, like, through whatever, you know, I, when I lay down and I’m a- at the mercy of nature and I’m trying to clear my mind, the words that I say are, “Use me.

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Use me.

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I am your servant.

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Use me.”

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And as a child, the message I got from the trees was, “You are here to tell a powerful story about the Earth that will vibrate through the planet.”

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I knew that.

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That was the message I got from the trees.

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And so it put me on this life path, and it’s been so mysterious, you know- Mm-hmm.

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how I got here and all the things.

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But it, it has me have so much acceptance for all of it.

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The second thing is with the organic movement in the United States.

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It took over 25 years to get to about three million acres into organic agriculture.

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Since Kiss the Ground came out in 2020, over 70 million acres in the United States are now in transition to regeneration.

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The USDA, the entire USDA watched Kiss the Ground.

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They formed a committee, um, in Congress that watched Kiss the Ground.

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They then said, amongst other things, that Kiss the Ground was one of the main catalysts that had them allocate $20 billion to climate smart agriculture.

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We got a phone call from King Charles’ assistant showing up at our house, asking us go, to go visit with him.

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We went to visit with King Charles.

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He’s like, “Kiss the Ground’s my favorite movie.

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My assistants are so annoyed because I’ve shared it with over 1,000 people and they want me to stop talking about it.”

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You know, and I had a whole expectation of what that was gonna be like and was shocked to learn that King Charles feels that his job, and, like, he believes in sacred geometry.

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He feels that it’s his role in life to promote regeneration, that that’s his calling from God.

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Like, that came as a real shock.

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Um, just that truly this message came through.

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People are using it in the way that it was meant to be used.

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And I think ultimately, you know, this work is all about being of service and letting, letting the message come through.

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And absolutely when that happens, when it’s genuine and authentic, people feel that and they latch onto it, and they take it, and they own it for themselves, and they share that with others, and it has a tremendous impact.

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Um, I can’t say the same is true for all of the ideas that I’ve had that I’ve tried to push through.

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I love that.

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I love it.

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I feel the same way.

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Trust me.

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There’s, I have a, a few different plant business partners, including Noel over here who’s hiding in the corner, um, who is a Christmas cactus, and my, a lot of my best work has, was co-created with my previous business partner, which was Spider Plant and, and Gary the Silver Fir is always telling me, “Do this and do that,” so I totally understand.

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Like, it’s, it’s, and that’s it because that’s the message, right?

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There’s a resonance that comes from the, the earth, that comes from earth directly that, and comes through those different beings because it’s a united message.

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It’s a message that, that does speak to kind of the needs and fills a gap, and it’s, and it’s a message filled with hope.

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This is what I try to explain to people over and over again, which is, you know, what change, what is the biggest change when you recognize yourself as a being of nature?

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It’s the fact that that fear, that, that s- underlying fear, that hum of fear that most people live with, that goes away because that, that fear is based on the fear of separation, the fear that I’m no longer able to deal with the planet.

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I don’t know how to, how to feed myself.

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I don’t know how to do all these types of things.

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That low-level disconnitio- disconnection of that original trauma just goes away.

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It, it starts to dissipate totally.

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It doesn’t mean you become overnight, like, a woods guide or anything like that.

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That’s not the point.

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The point is that you start to feel your relationships, your connections.

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You feel your connection back to Earth.

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You feel your connection to others.

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Like, it, it, it just changes the way that you approach life because you’re doing it- Mm-hmm.

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from a connected state.

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And that’s it.

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I think that’s also the difference between, like, my ideas, you know?

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Like, my ideas, I wanna control.

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I want them to win.

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I want them to be right.

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There’s a fear-

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under it, like you just said.

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The stuff that comes through, just total confidence and knowing.

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It’s like the- Right.

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intuition is so strong.

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It’s like, “This isn’t me,” you know?

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So I’m just gonna be of service to whatever this is, like all the other people right now who are being called to do the same thing, or to be- Right.

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the same way.

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I mean, I think, I don’t even think I’m that unique in this, you know?

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I just happen to have, you know, I hear the messages that I hear that are coming through and I’m taking action on, but I think that anywhere where you see these massive breakthroughs, you know, you, there’s got to be, in my opinion, some kind of, like, intuition or knowledge coming through.

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Um, yeah, and sometimes I don’t understand it and sometimes it doesn’t match my view of how it should be, but that’s-

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all in the testing of the universe, right?

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Yeah, and, and that’s, and like you said, I, I do think that as more and more people, these defenses come down, as more and more people are getting outside and experiencing nature in their own way, whether that’s a city tree or a house plant, or whether that’s going to a city park or going out into the bush somewhere.

345
00:33:38,960 –> 00:33:43,139.99999999976717
It doesn’t really matter, but as you start to do this, those defenses come down.

346
00:33:43,139.99999999976717 –> 00:33:52,368
And as more and more science helps us understand the intelligence of plants, I think more and more people are open to allowing the message to come through.

347
00:33:52,900 –> 00:34:06,800
I, the other piece that I think is another big element, which I’m glad that you’re talking about it in the terms that you’re saying it, is that for many people, the idea of plant communication or communication with the natural world, animal communication, nature communication, is words.

348
00:34:06,800 –> 00:34:10,020
Like, “Oh, I don’t hear them, and so if I don’t hear it,” blah, blah, blah.

349
00:34:10,020 –> 00:34:10,900
It’s not that.

350
00:34:10,900 –> 00:34:12,260.00000000023283
It’s way more than that.

351
00:34:12,260.00000000023283 –> 00:34:14,780.0000000002328
It’s that, it’s that spidey sense sometimes.

352
00:34:14,780.0000000002328 –> 00:34:15,960
It’s that feeling.

353
00:34:15,960 –> 00:34:21,100
It’s the, the good idea that comes through that you’re like, “Where the hell did that come from?”

354
00:34:21,100 –> 00:34:29,779.9999999997672
And then you look around and you lock eyes with some plant or some being, whatever, whomever, and you’re like, “Oh my goodness, that came from you.”

355
00:34:29,779.9999999997672 –> 00:34:31,940
Like, now I get it.

356
00:34:31,940 –> 00:34:33,239.99999999976717
I understand.

357
00:34:33,239.99999999976717 –> 00:34:35,170
And it just arrived in a way.

358
00:34:35,170 –> 00:34:36,139.99999999976717
It came in a dream.

359
00:34:36,139.99999999976717 –> 00:34:37,980
It came in a, in an emotion.

360
00:34:37,980 –> 00:34:41,080
It came in a memory that you cooked into something else.

361
00:34:41,080 –> 00:34:42,520
I try to tell people

362
00:34:42,520 –> 00:34:53,460
I did an, um, expanded plant communication, uh, uh, workshop not so long ago, a few months back, and I had a woman in there who at the end revealed that she was an animal communicator.

363
00:34:53,460 –> 00:34:55,279.99999999976717
And, uh, I was like, “Oh, cool.

364
00:34:55,279.99999999976717 –> 00:34:55,739.9999999997672
Super cool.”

365
00:34:55,739.9999999997672 –> 00:34:56,940
I’m like, “How did you enjoy the class?”

366
00:34:56,940 –> 00:34:58,260
She’s like, “I have to admit.

367
00:34:58,260 –> 00:35:04,340
I came here thinking, ’cause I wanted to try something new, I thought it was gonna be like most animal commu- like most of the classes that I’ve taken.

368
00:35:04,340 –> 00:35:06,700
You drop into your heart space and listen.”

369
00:35:06,700 –> 00:35:25,480
And I, uh, she is like, “You just blew my mind ’cause I work a lot with art and I tap into movement and body and, um, and other emotions and all these colors and all kinds of different aspects,” because I find that the natural world communicates in many, many, many different ways.

370
00:35:25,480 –> 00:35:34,128
And part of this is about allowing ourselves to, to trust, to trust ourselves enough to let that come in.

371
00:35:34,786 –> 00:35:36,900
It’s not that they’re not communicating.

372
00:35:36,900 –> 00:35:39,440
Kin are there all the time.

373
00:35:39,440 –> 00:35:42,760
It’s us that doesn’t, that we don’t trust ourselves.

374
00:35:42,760 –> 00:35:53,538.9999999995343
And this is where I think your films are so important because during, um, one of the recent, like, No Kings protests-I heard an interesting sociological statistic that they were talking about.

375
00:35:53,538.9999999995343 –> 00:36:13,120
They were saying that the importance of these kinds of protests, beyond the protest itself, is the fact that when more and more people see others doing something that they think they’re the only ones that do it, they’re more likely then to, to continue to do it and, more importantly, to, um, gather with others to do it.

376
00:36:13,120 –> 00:36:16,300
So if I think that this plant over here is talking to me and that

377
00:36:16,300 –> 00:36:27,419
And I think that that’s a little woo because nobody around me talks about plant communication, then I’m, like, gonna ignore what I’m receiving from that plant because I don’t believe it’s real.

378
00:36:27,419 –> 00:36:38,860
And so I think that that’s another element of your kinds of films, of these types of not just the message, the scientific message, which, you know, I could give you praise about all of that, but you’ve received all of that praise.

379
00:36:38,860 –> 00:36:50,510
I think there’s another element that is not to undervalue, which is giving p- And I think sharing this part of your story, how they come, is about saying to yourself, “You know what?

380
00:36:50,510 –> 00:36:54,480
This is really about connection, and look, there’s more of us that do it.”

381
00:36:54,480 –> 00:36:57,500
You don’t have to be kind of woo and

382
00:36:57,500 –> 00:36:59,200
I mean, although I am woo and weird.

383
00:36:59,200 –> 00:37:00,360
But I mean, you don’t have to be that-

384
00:37:00,360 –> 00:37:10,380
kind of woo that you’re, like, staring off into the clouds doing Ouija boards and, like, talking to the dead in order for you to also be a plant or an animal communicator.

385
00:37:10,380 –> 00:37:12,120
You could be a PhD student.

386
00:37:12,120 –> 00:37:14,580
You could be somebody who works in a factory.

387
00:37:14,580 –> 00:37:15,840
Anybody.

388
00:37:15,840 –> 00:37:17,400
It’s not a woo thing.

389
00:37:17,400 –> 00:37:26,704
It’s a na- natural capability that we all have, and that when we tap into it, we now start to flow and co-create with this planet.

390
00:37:27,919 –> 00:37:28,960
100%.

391
00:37:28,960 –> 00:37:29,060
Yeah.

392
00:37:29,060 –> 00:37:30,240
That’s how it works.

393
00:37:30,240 –> 00:37:31,279.99999999953434
That’s how it works.

394
00:37:31,279.99999999953434 –> 00:37:32,440
So here’s my other question.

395
00:37:32,440 –> 00:37:44,680
Uh, you, y- y- you have th- the other f- another film which is Be Wild, which wildness is another huge topic for me that I think is so important and so connected to this natural movement.

396
00:37:44,680 –> 00:37:47,663.9999999995343
Can you tell people a little bit more about what Be Wild is about?

397
00:37:48,719 –> 00:37:55,408
Be Wild is, uh, a new film that we’ve made that’s about protecting pollinators and biodiversity.

398
00:37:56,000 –> 00:37:59,460
And, um, you know, we need those pollinators.

399
00:37:59,460 –> 00:38:00,440
We need that biodiversity.

400
00:38:00,440 –> 00:38:09,179
People think that the honeybee, you know, is the, the only bee, but there’s actually over 20,000 different types of bees, and most of them are non-stinging.

401
00:38:09,179 –> 00:38:12,200
And we n- Each plant co-evolved

402
00:38:12,200 –> 00:38:15,909
Each pollinating plant co-evolved with its specific type of bee- Mm.

403
00:38:15,909 –> 00:38:17,059
that works together.

404
00:38:17,059 –> 00:38:18,900
You know, they’re attracted to the color.

405
00:38:18,900 –> 00:38:20,320
They’re attracted to

406
00:38:20,320 –> 00:38:22,100
Like, they literally work together.

407
00:38:22,100 –> 00:38:23,070
And when we

408
00:38:23,070 –> 00:38:36,419
Uh, we’ve been colonizing bees by having the honeybee basically industrialized, and the problem with that is that they compete for resources with the native bees, and then the native bees begin to get wiped out.

409
00:38:36,419 –> 00:38:58,339
And also, um, bees are thriving way more in cities now because of the lack of pesticides and herbicides that are being sprayed, because in farms, especially here in the US and all around the world actually, it’s been banned in the UK, but neonicotinoids are a very toxic, um, pesticide that kills bees, and it’s like nicotine.

410
00:38:58,339 –> 00:39:03,460
So they are addicted to it, but then it causes them to be incapable of returning home.

411
00:39:03,460 –> 00:39:06,860
They get super dizzy, and then they basically keel over and die.

412
00:39:06,860 –> 00:39:16,839
And so one teaspoon of a neonicotinoid can wipe out, I think it was 2 1/2 billion bees.

413
00:39:16,839 –> 00:39:22,060
I think it was something like a couple of gallons of this stuff could wipe out the whole planet.

414
00:39:22,060 –> 00:39:31,450
I don’t remember the exact numbers, but it was insane how toxic some of these chemicals are and how, um, we need these biodiverse pollinators.

415
00:39:31,450 –> 00:39:36,779.9999999995343
We need the native pollinators in order to be able to continue to grow the foods that we eat.

416
00:39:36,779.9999999995343 –> 00:39:46,700
Um, and without them, with the extinction of bees, which is what’s currently happening, um, you know, we’re going to see that food can’t be produced at scale.

417
00:39:46,700 –> 00:39:49,839
And so, um, it affects all of us.

418
00:39:49,839 –> 00:39:58,740
Our wellbeing depends on the wellbeing of these little creatures, most of which are, like, female bees out there working really hard for us every single day.

419
00:39:58,740 –> 00:40:11,632
And the film is really just a love letter to them, and it really shows, like, uh, how hard they work for us and the beauty of the biodiversity that they have and all of the people who are out there fighting to protect and save them and how that’s happening all around the world.

420
00:40:12,380 –> 00:40:17,839
Um, and I, in the process, became a beekeeper, and then I lost bees, then I did it again, and then I lost them.

421
00:40:17,839 –> 00:40:21,140
I’ve just been planting pollinating plants everywhere.

422
00:40:21,140 –> 00:40:23,640
And so now, I don’t see the honeybees as much.

423
00:40:23,640 –> 00:40:26,340
Now, I mean, I do have honeybees, but it’s very limited.

424
00:40:26,340 –> 00:40:32,210
Now, I’m looking for, what are the native bees that I’m seeing here and the- Like, I didn’t even notice them before.

425
00:40:32,210 –> 00:40:32,500
Mm-hmm.

426
00:40:32,500 –> 00:40:33,180
I had no idea.

427
00:40:33,180 –> 00:40:34,560
They’re, like, little.

428
00:40:34,560 –> 00:40:36,816
You know, and they s- they stick to certain plants.

429
00:40:37,440 –> 00:40:46,352
Um, yeah, it’s just- it’s a- it’s a love of biodiversity and a love of protecting, um, those wild spaces where they can thrive.

430
00:40:47,360 –> 00:41:04,099
And a- and a love of- of relationship, ’cause I think you- you said something that- that I- I feel like most people still don’t understand, which is that each bee, you know, creates this relationship with a small, sometimes just one species, right?

431
00:41:04,099 –> 00:41:11,660
They’re- they- they make that match with one species, sometimes a few different species, but it’s still a very small number.

432
00:41:11,660 –> 00:41:17,320
And so therefore, it is n- to- to save the bees, it means also to save the plants.

433
00:41:17,320 –> 00:41:19,510
It’s about saving that relationship.

434
00:41:19,510 –> 00:41:27,860
It really is, uh, not just a love story to them, but also a love story between thim- them, between the- the bees and these plants who create it.

435
00:41:27,860 –> 00:41:40,750
I, myself, I have, um, I was gifted 2 plants last year, and, um, I have a very small balcony here that has, you know, basically all the rescues that- that that I put outside.

436
00:41:40,750 –> 00:41:42,240
And they just bloomed.

437
00:41:42,240 –> 00:41:48,260
And so there’s all these different bees, like, that I- that have never really come up to this space- Mm.

438
00:41:48,260 –> 00:41:53,320
because I’ve never had that kind of flowering plant during this autumn time, right?

439
00:41:53,320 –> 00:42:00,570
This kind of bee that’s still here looking at winter, and I’m just so happy that they have this nourishment and they have this food.

440
00:42:00,570 –> 00:42:14,420
And I think that it’s important because when we talk, I- I feel like sometimes there’s this disconnect that happens in people’s minds where it’s like, okay, I- we wanna talk about protecting the bees, and then we talk about the chemicals, but the chemicals are going on the plants.

441
00:42:14,420 –> 00:42:33,200
And so it really is at the same level of protecting and taking care of the plants, who don’t need these fricking chemicals to begin with when, you know, grown, as you know better than I do, in the, you know, in a way that’s like, folks, if you need that many chemicals, you’re growing it wrong, right?

442
00:42:33,200 –> 00:42:35,940
Or- or you- there are other alternatives.

443
00:42:35,940 –> 00:42:40,420
For example, there’s this- I don’t know if you know this, there’s a wonderful French company called Genotic.

444
00:42:40,420 –> 00:42:42,200
Have you ever heard of them?

445
00:42:42,200 –> 00:42:46,560
They make a musical fertilizer, like a musical, uh, pesticide.

446
00:42:46,560 –> 00:42:47,440
Excuse me.

447
00:42:47,440 –> 00:42:48,320
They make-

448
00:42:48,320 –> 00:43:01,120
music that is specifically tuned to whatever it is that that plant needs that is the natural kind of killer or the- the- whatever will deter whatever it is that’s ravaging them.

449
00:43:01,120 –> 00:43:08,760
So they work a lot for organic farms or organic vineyards and farms that cannot spray and should not spray.

450
00:43:08,760 –> 00:43:17,808
And therefore, when they do have a large infestation, they come to this company who creates music that literally will act like a pesticide for those plants.

451
00:43:19,202 –> 00:43:19,240
Wow.

452
00:43:19,240 –> 00:43:29,720
Well, you know, I mean, that- there’s so many ways that we can help nature to get back into balance from us pushing it off balance.

453
00:43:29,720 –> 00:43:29,820
Right.

454
00:43:29,820 –> 00:43:33,100
And nature has the answers within it.

455
00:43:33,100 –> 00:43:42,780
I mean, we think that we need to go in and intervene, but the reality is, is like, you know, if you have a pest problem, that’s actually a helpful clue as to what’s going on in your ecosystem.

456
00:43:42,780 –> 00:43:44,880
It’s like, okay, well, what- what are- what’s happening here?

457
00:43:44,880 –> 00:43:45,640
Like, what are we missing?

458
00:43:45,640 –> 00:43:47,180
Are we- do we have a lack of biodiversity?

459
00:43:47,180 –> 00:43:49,090
Do we have a lack of predators?

460
00:43:49,090 –> 00:43:51,900
Maybe we’re farming not in context.

461
00:43:51,900 –> 00:43:57,030
Maybe th- You know, like, there’s 6 principles to regenerative agriculture that work anywhere in the world.

462
00:43:57,030 –> 00:44:01,776
And when you follow those 6 principles, nature can restore and go back into balance and heal.

463
00:44:02,280 –> 00:44:03,620
And it’s ubiquitous.

464
00:44:03,620 –> 00:44:04,900
It doesn’t matter where you are.

465
00:44:04,900 –> 00:44:09,424
And so I think it just takes creativity versus the urge to control.

466
00:44:11,180 –> 00:44:12,080
I think that’s the difference.

467
00:44:12,080 –> 00:44:21,540
And one other little thing about bees that I learned that was so amazing, the reason that our food has color and flavor is because of the insects that they co-evolved with.

468
00:44:21,540 –> 00:44:21,640
Mm-hmm.

469
00:44:21,640 –> 00:44:33,400
And then when you start to see those same foods or plants grown without that symbiosis, you see a lack luster- lackluster in color.

470
00:44:33,400 –> 00:44:35,779.9999999995343
You see a loss of flavor.

471
00:44:35,779.9999999995343 –> 00:44:40,260
Um, it just- it starts to feel not like the thing that it was.

472
00:44:40,260 –> 00:44:40,290
Right.

473
00:44:40,290 –> 00:44:40,520
You know?

474
00:44:40,520 –> 00:44:49,510
It becomes very generic, and the color and the flavor and all of it starts to become diminished as it loses the nutrition that it needs.

475
00:44:49,510 –> 00:44:57,340
And, um, yeah, so I just- I- I have a whole new appreciation for the way that nature is self-correcting.

476
00:44:57,340 –> 00:44:57,720.0000000004657
You know?

477
00:44:57,720.0000000004657 –> 00:45:01,420
We think that we have- It’s like with- when I gave birth to my children.

478
00:45:01,420 –> 00:45:08,368
You know, it was a high-risk labor after I was exposed to tons of chemicals during the film I made about the BP oil spill.

479
00:45:08,980 –> 00:45:14,600
And, um, you know, I was a high-risk pregnancy, and I was hooked up to all these things.

480
00:45:14,600 –> 00:45:18,352
And I went to the hospital to give birth, and I had like, my whole pregnancy plan.

481
00:45:19,040 –> 00:45:23,952
And I was like, all the way into it, but then they finally kicked me out of the hospital because I was taking too long.

482
00:45:24,500 –> 00:45:25,840
They’re like, “You’re not in labor.”

483
00:45:25,840 –> 00:45:27,140
I was like, “But I am in labor.”

484
00:45:27,140 –> 00:45:28,380
They’re like, “No, you’re not in labor.”

485
00:45:28,380 –> 00:45:29,880
So I had to leave the hospital.

486
00:45:29,880 –> 00:45:31,312
They made us leave at 4:00 AM.

487
00:45:31,840 –> 00:45:33,360
And I was so- You can only imagine.

488
00:45:33,360 –> 00:45:34,640
I’m so angry.

489
00:45:34,640 –> 00:45:35,240
I’m in labor.

490
00:45:35,240 –> 00:45:36,656
They’re making me leave the hospital.

491
00:45:37,400 –> 00:45:39,900
And we drove home.

492
00:45:39,900 –> 00:45:41,940
Um, Josh fell asleep driving home.

493
00:45:41,940 –> 00:45:43,300
Anyway, we got here.

494
00:45:43,300 –> 00:45:45,200
You can imagine how that went over with me.

495
00:45:45,200 –> 00:45:46,096
We got home.

496
00:45:46,940 –> 00:45:50,730
I gave birth at home, and it was the best thing ever- Perfect.

497
00:45:50,730 –> 00:45:53,200
because my body knew exactly what to do.

498
00:45:53,200 –> 00:46:00,420
That was where I meant to- was meant to give birth, and I ended up giving birth to my son at home too, totally naturally.

499
00:46:00,420 –> 00:46:08,560
And I think th- the reason I’m sharing this is because I gained, through that, a whole new respect for intervention.Mm-hmm.

500
00:46:09,504 –> 00:46:17,544
Because I feel like, you know, the masculine energy wants to protect the feminine, you know?

501
00:46:17,544 –> 00:46:42,063
That’s the- sort of the nature of what’s called in that, that masculine, is to hold and protect the feminine, and so if we’re, like, in pain and there’s this thing called birth and, you know, there’s this thing that’s very wild and out of control happening to our bodies, I can understand the thinking of wanting to make it easier, to make it something that’s more predictable, make it something that can be, um, controlled.

502
00:46:42,063 –> 00:46:56,240
I can understand that, out of this want to d- wanting to protect, and I almost feel like that’s where we’re at with nature, that need and that want to control because the unpredictability of this wildness that can come through, so I respect it.

503
00:46:57,063 –> 00:46:59,683
I understand why we do it because

504
00:46:59,683 –> 00:47:13,404
And maybe that’s not true for the chemical companies, but I think, you know, for my dad and then for my family, when they started to use chemicals, it was because, you know, it’s when you’re growing food, you’re at the mercy of nature and your life depends on it and your children’s lives depend on it.

505
00:47:13,404 –> 00:47:14,764
Your community depends on it.

506
00:47:14,764 –> 00:47:19,794
You’re at the mercy of what h- happens that year with, with nature.

507
00:47:19,794 –> 00:47:47,884
And so I can understand that urge to intervene and to try to make it predictable and safe, but I think the beauty in all of this is being willing to let go and to allow for it to be wild, to allow for us to be in our natural state and for it to be unpredictable and for us to be okay with that, to experience the messiness of life and birth and death and to surrender that control.

508
00:47:47,884 –> 00:47:51,084
And I think that that’s where we’re at right now in the world.

509
00:47:51,084 –> 00:47:52,264
We’re at our breaking point.

510
00:47:52,264 –> 00:47:59,563
You try to control, control, control, control, control for so long, and a lot of that has to do with women’s bodies.

511
00:47:59,563 –> 00:48:13,840
And we’re talking about for centuries, you know, of disempowering women, of controlling women, and as we have disempowered and controlled women, we have disempowered nature, and it goes hand in hand.

512
00:48:14,704 –> 00:48:18,813
And when women become empowered, nature thrives- Mm-hmm.

513
00:48:18,813 –> 00:48:21,168
and that’s been proven over and over and over again.

514
00:48:22,144 –> 00:48:52,244
So I have empathy for everyone who, including my own family, who have tried to suppress the fear of the unpredictability of how chaotic and messy it can be, but I’m excited to be entering into this new wild phase of regeneration where nature is in control and we allow for her to be and we start to look at, we start to observe versus trying to

515
00:48:52,244 –> 00:48:59,483
fix, and we start to listen for the clues versus viewing them as a threat.

516
00:48:59,483 –> 00:48:59,684
You know?

517
00:48:59,684 –> 00:49:01,964
It’s like, why is this pest here?

518
00:49:01,964 –> 00:49:05,064
Why is, you know, why is this not growing well here?

519
00:49:05,064 –> 00:49:09,464
It’s like the, the best farmers sit and watch and listen.

520
00:49:09,464 –> 00:49:12,504
Like, I have chickens and peacocks and a llama.

521
00:49:12,504 –> 00:49:15,376
My favorite thing to do is to just sit and watch them.

522
00:49:16,624 –> 00:49:21,464
I just watch them, and I learn so much about them, and I don’t even

523
00:49:21,464 –> 00:49:23,584
At first, I didn’t even know why I did that.

524
00:49:23,584 –> 00:49:27,244
I had no i- but I didn’t realize, but actually, that’s the number one rule of regenerative farming.

525
00:49:27,244 –> 00:49:28,336
Sit, observe.

526
00:49:29,024 –> 00:49:29,744
That’s how you learn.

527
00:49:29,744 –> 00:49:35,884
That’s how you learn about your environment, and I think we all intuitively want to follow those regenerative principles.

528
00:49:35,884 –> 00:49:36,983
That’s in all of us.

529
00:49:36,983 –> 00:49:38,344
That wisdom is in all of us.

530
00:49:38,344 –> 00:49:45,872
It’s innate, and if you sit in a patch of clover in the grass or you hug the mama tree, I think those are the messages that come through.

531
00:49:48,784 –> 00:49:52,004
I feel like I, I willed you my question.

532
00:49:52,004 –> 00:50:01,924
Like, I telepathically sent it ’cause I was about to ask you about the wildness piece, and you just went into it beautifully, which is exactly how I feel about it.

533
00:50:01,924 –> 00:50:03,124
I mean, I, I

534
00:50:03,124 –> 00:50:14,304
Again, it’s another episode I did all about, because this wildness component, this being out of control, so much of it is because of this lack of trust we have for the relationship we have with nature.

535
00:50:14,304 –> 00:50:25,210
We’re so disconnected from the cycles, we’re so disconnected, unfortunately, from, you know, what are our natural rhythms that we don’t understand all these pieces.

536
00:50:25,210 –> 00:50:36,180
And, you know, mentioning a- all of these different elements relating to how that control, which is again that low level hum of fear that we were talking about earlier, right?

537
00:50:36,180 –> 00:50:42,220
That fear that something is gonna go wrong in the harvest and that I won’t be able to have it, and that this is, uh, un-

538
00:50:42,220 –> 00:50:52,420
So I try to un- it’s an unnatural thing if I try to control it and do it the way that I want it done because I’ve built a life on a, on a house, on, on, on a deck of cards.

539
00:50:52,420 –> 00:51:01,540
Like I’ve literally built it in a way that any one little piece that falls apart, then the whole thing falls apart and I end up not being able to take care of myself.

540
00:51:01,540 –> 00:51:20,760
We don’t have the community connections to be able to support each other anymore, we don’t have, like, an understanding of what the cycles to be able to read the signs of what’s gonna happen and how is that going to h- So the farther we get from that connection, the more we give into that fear, the more we try to control.

541
00:51:20,760 –> 00:51:44,240
And you, you said it perfectly, which is, there’s a, a beautiful, um, paper, was one of the first papers I reviewed when I was doing plant conscious, con- conscious commentary, plant consciousness commentary, was called The Feminist Plant, and it was all about, um, the water lily and how the parallels that you just mentioned between controlling women and controlling the beauty of flowers and certain kinds of plants.

542
00:51:44,240 –> 00:51:56,920
In this case, they were using the water lily as an example of this, you know, beautifully strong plant that holds an entire environment underneath, and yet is considered delicate and we can’t trust and we can’t

543
00:51:56,920 –> 00:52:02,540
And yet, you know, you can step on a water lily and, and still be held, you know, in certain pieces.

544
00:52:02,540 –> 00:52:15,840
And how this started to show that, that fact of it was like one example of how we can understand why it is that we are trying to control women, because we also can’t control nature.

545
00:52:15,840 –> 00:52:23,940
It’s like another force of nature that women are that we can’t control, so we do what we’ve done to nature, which is try to hold that down and restrict it.

546
00:52:23,940 –> 00:52:28,560
We see it in the body, in the clothing that women have historically had to wear.

547
00:52:28,560 –> 00:52:33,760
The, the rules of etiquette that h- were created are all around control.

548
00:52:33,760 –> 00:52:35,360
And it’s, it’s fascinating.

549
00:52:35,360 –> 00:53:05,660
I was taking, um, I’m a Kabbalist, uh, as well as many other things, and I was taking this wonderful class from a, uh, a person who studies kind of the original, original, original translation of certain texts, and he’s, he goes off on a really interesting way about how the misunderstanding of women or of the role of the feminine all because a bunch of, a bunch of men were the ones that were the first translators and were like, “Uh, the

550
00:53:05,660 –> 00:53:16,000
f- the feminine power, they didn’t wanna recognize it within themselves, much less give it an external representation of a whole, because, oh, no, we can’t do that.”

551
00:53:16,000 –> 00:53:22,180
And it’s just, it’s a fascinating parallel that connects, which is why we have the eco-feminism movement, right?

552
00:53:22,180 –> 00:53:24,220
I, we have eco-feminism for a reason.

553
00:53:24,220 –> 00:53:28,360
It helps us understand a lot of these different parts.

554
00:53:28,360 –> 00:53:31,910
So there, there’s just so many elements of that that I’m like, “Yes, yes.”

555
00:53:31,910 –> 00:53:38,520
“Yes, yes, yes,” and yes, yes, and that control is just so scary for people.

556
00:53:38,520 –> 00:53:39,100
It’s so

557
00:53:39,100 –> 00:53:48,540
And that wildness within us now, we even as individuals and especially as women have learned not to trust it either, and so we also now suppress it.

558
00:53:48,540 –> 00:53:51,320
We self-suppress our own wildness.

559
00:53:51,320 –> 00:54:00,000
We self-suppress that part of us that, that taps into nature, that understands the cycles, that understands our own bodily cycles.

560
00:54:00,000 –> 00:54:03,560
We try to control it with all these different pieces.

561
00:54:03,560 –> 00:54:10,060
You mentioned another element that, that I just wanna kinda highlight, because I’m, I’m so glad you did, which is that observation piece.

562
00:54:10,060 –> 00:54:25,200
My master’s thesis, um, my master’s project was all based on Matera, which is, um, uh, the, one of the, one of the m- oldest continuously inhabited, um, cities in the world.

563
00:54:25,200 –> 00:54:28,380
It’s one of, like, 2 of the most, of the oldest.

564
00:54:28,380 –> 00:54:34,310
It’s a troglodyte culture, so there’s still the, um, the caves that people lived in originally.

565
00:54:34,310 –> 00:55:00,450
And for part of this project, we were building, we built, uh, a relationship to nature that the original kind of cavemen and cave women, cave people had, which was based on 3 main elements, the element of, like, the out, the thing that I go to, whether it’s farming in their case or, um, some kind of foraging or anything, it’s a thing I go out to.

566
00:55:00,450 –> 00:55:16,170
And then there is the thing that I keep nearby, which was the small scale agriculture, the agriculture of, um, of the things that I eat, the herbs that I use for medicine or for food, like, you know, the, the rosemaries and all of those types of pieces.

567
00:55:16,170 –> 00:55:30,576
And then the most important part that I discovered in this is the pensile garden, the garden that is I sit in the courtyard, that is, that connects our caves together, and I observe nature.

568
00:55:32,440 –> 00:55:42,800
And so it is about awe and wonder and reflection and beauty, and these 3 elements were extremely important for that culture.

569
00:55:43,380 –> 00:55:43,390
Mm-hmm.

570
00:55:43,390 –> 00:55:50,200
And it, it took me down a rabbit hole of understanding that, you know, that is also the way the hunter-gatherer culture lived.

571
00:55:50,200 –> 00:56:08,440
Hunter-gatherers, they worked for, like, a very short period of time, maybe a week, and then they spent the next 3 weeks in contemplation with the nature around them, which is how they knew the nature so well to know where to go for food.So, they didn’t have those fears that we have.

572
00:56:08,440 –> 00:56:19,540
They knew where everything was, where every being that they needed, whe- whether it was a plant or an animal was because they sat in contemplation and observation.

573
00:56:19,540 –> 00:56:22,620
They listened to the land in that way.

574
00:56:22,620 –> 00:56:32,120
And when they started moving into caves, they still started had to have that element of reflection and contemplation.

575
00:56:32,120 –> 00:56:34,864
And again, another element we don’t talk about enough.

576
00:56:35,500 –> 00:56:39,600
We- we think about it as like, “I’m gonna go to India for a, like”

577
00:56:39,600 –> 00:56:41,140
Or, “I’m gonna do vipassana.”

578
00:56:41,140 –> 00:56:45,020
But it’s like, no, that needs to be a part of your everyday life- Mm-hmm.

579
00:56:45,020 –> 00:56:49,720.0000000004657
sitting and just staring off into nature in reflection, observing

580
00:56:49,720.0000000004657 –> 00:56:50,384
I did the

581
00:56:51,000 –> 00:56:57,220.00000000046566
We used to have ch- the- the nucleo I used to live in, which is our shared houses had chickens, and I used to often do that too.

582
00:56:57,220.00000000046566 –> 00:57:00,272
Would go up to the chickens and just sit by, and- and just

583
00:57:02,498 –> 00:57:02,560
Yeah.

584
00:57:02,560 –> 00:57:08,279.99999999953434
And- and observe, or sit like right in front of my cabin and like just look out.

585
00:57:08,279.99999999953434 –> 00:57:10,670
And- and now, I have this beautiful

586
00:57:10,670 –> 00:57:14,220.00000000046566
I- I sit in front of a window, so my lighting is always weird, but

587
00:57:14,220.00000000046566 –> 00:57:17,460
And I have a- a- a bunch of plant partners that are all sitting around me.

588
00:57:17,460 –> 00:57:29,136
I know so many little nuances of how the- they change, how it can change, how the landscape changes, because I sit here sometimes, you know, and just observe.

589
00:57:30,080 –> 00:57:32,300
And it- it’s so rewarding, isn’t it?

590
00:57:32,300 –> 00:57:35,184
It’s like, it just gives you so much back.

591
00:57:36,160 –> 00:57:36,850
It does.

592
00:57:36,850 –> 00:57:40,779.9999999995343
It’s, uh, nourishing to your soul.

593
00:57:40,779.9999999995343 –> 00:57:47,248
It’s, uh, reconnecting and remembering that innate wisdom that we all have within us.

594
00:57:47,810 –> 00:57:54,720.0000000004657
It’s, uh, like being open to receiving the messages that are wanting to come through- Yes.

595
00:57:54,720.0000000004657 –> 00:58:02,544
you know, and- and allowing that reverence and respect for all beings that we’re connected to, to also have their own wisdom and to learn from that.

596
00:58:04,480 –> 00:58:05,140
I love that.

597
00:58:05,140 –> 00:58:07,300
I think that’s just so perfect.

598
00:58:07,300 –> 00:58:15,500
Rebecca, as- as we start to wrap ev- well, probably close to the end of this, there is- is- is there anything else you want to share?

599
00:58:15,500 –> 00:58:16,624
Because you- you’ve s-

600
00:58:17,600 –> 00:58:35,340
I am thrilled, beyond thrilled, and it’s, to me, a, um, further proof that, you know, as I, as I watch your work and I feel the difference between the type of work you do, and now that I’ve had this conversation with you, I understand why it feels different.

601
00:58:35,340 –> 00:58:43,200
And I hope that everybody who listens to this can feel that difference, where, again, we’re not coming at it from n- yes, there’s numbers.

602
00:58:43,200 –> 00:58:50,950
Yes, there’s, uh, there are statistics and, you know, scientific studies to read and study and know, but it’s more than that.

603
00:58:50,950 –> 00:59:03,540
And I think that that’s what people really feel in the films that you do, and why something like, you know, Earthing gets eight million views is because of that, because that is what is coming through.

604
00:59:03,540 –> 00:59:07,000
And it’s so easy, put your feet on the ground.

605
00:59:07,000 –> 00:59:07,040
Yes.

606
00:59:07,040 –> 00:59:08,640
Just put your feet on the ground.

607
00:59:08,640 –> 00:59:09,770
Like, not making-

608
00:59:09,770 –> 00:59:10,980
this hard for you.

609
00:59:10,980 –> 00:59:13,840
Just walk out of your house and put your feet on the ground.

610
00:59:14,660 –> 00:59:15,520
Okay.

611
00:59:15,520 –> 00:59:16,060
I will.

612
00:59:16,060 –> 00:59:17,648
Come with me.

613
00:59:19,330 –> 00:59:20,580
come see my mama tree.

614
00:59:20,580 –> 00:59:22,060
That’s what needs to happen.

615
00:59:22,060 –> 00:59:23,120
Hold on one second.

616
00:59:23,740 –> 00:59:28,260
This is where I go to- to observe.

617
00:59:28,260 –> 00:59:31,120
There’s my little chicken coop over there with all my chickens.

618
00:59:31,650 –> 00:59:32,080
Nice.

619
00:59:33,100 –> 00:59:34,384
This is my clover.

620
00:59:35,240 –> 00:59:35,560
There you are.

621
00:59:35,560 –> 00:59:37,180
All this is happening because of the clover.

622
00:59:37,180 –> 00:59:38,880
Here’s a good example of clover.

623
00:59:38,880 –> 00:59:40,400
Here we go, clover.

624
00:59:42,460 –> 00:59:43,700
I love it.

625
00:59:43,700 –> 00:59:45,136
And there’s the mama tree.

626
00:59:48,578 –> 00:59:51,160
And that’s it.

627
00:59:51,160 –> 00:59:51,430
And that’s it.

628
00:59:51,430 –> 00:59:52,600
Pretty cool, right?

629
00:59:52,600 –> 00:59:53,520
That’s it.

630
00:59:53,520 –> 00:59:57,279.99999999953434
Yeah, this is, uh, this is where all the magic happens.

631
00:59:57,279.99999999953434 –> 00:59:58,200
I love it.

632
00:59:58,200 –> 00:59:59,220.00000000046566
I love it.

633
00:59:59,220.00000000046566 –> 01:00:00,090
And with that- Thank you.

634
01:00:00,090 –> 01:00:02,032
any last words you wanna share with everyone?

635
01:00:02,800 –> 01:00:05,480
Oh, just, you know, we’re all in this together.

636
01:00:05,480 –> 01:00:06,900
We are all connected.

637
01:00:06,900 –> 01:00:09,260
And I’m sure if you’re listening to this, you’re

638
01:00:09,260 –> 01:00:11,100
None of this is probably news.

639
01:00:11,100 –> 01:00:19,020
You know, you’re probably in this world, but, you know, just remember to share this gift with as many people as you can, you know?

640
01:00:19,020 –> 01:00:25,700
And- and I feel like the films I make, that’s one vehicle to do it, you know, watch the Earthing movie and kiss the ground and be wild.

641
01:00:25,700 –> 01:00:30,032
but more than anything, just put your feet on the ground and listen.

642
01:00:30,626 –> 01:00:32,688
I think that’s the message that’s coming through.

643
01:00:35,320 –> 01:00:36,740
Thank you so much, Rebecca.

644
01:00:36,740 –> 01:00:37,180
Thank you.

645
01:00:37,180 –> 01:00:37,980
Thank you.

646
01:00:37,980 –> 01:00:38,680
Thank you.

647
01:00:38,680 –> 01:00:49,940
This has been amazing, and I am so grateful for your presence, for your work, for the message that you put out, and for the fact that you are living that.

648
01:00:49,940 –> 01:00:56,400
You are a living embodiment of exactly what you speak about and what you share in your work.

649
01:00:56,400 –> 01:00:57,232
And thank you for that.

650
01:00:58,100 –> 01:00:59,240
Thank you with all my heart.

651
01:00:59,240 –> 01:01:00,840
Come visit me at Big Picture Ranch.

652
01:01:00,840 –> 01:01:03,980
We’ll go harvest some eggs and make breakfast together.

653
01:01:03,980 –> 01:01:04,360
Yes!

654
01:01:04,360 –> 01:01:05,099
Let’s go do it.

655
01:01:05,099 –> 01:01:06,260
Let’s do it.

656
01:01:06,260 –> 01:01:12,760
What I loved most about this conversation with Rebecca is that it reminds us that the earth is not asking for us to be perfect.

657
01:01:12,760 –> 01:01:15,300
She’s asking for us to be present.

658
01:01:15,300 –> 01:01:17,140
She doesn’t need us to save her.

659
01:01:17,140 –> 01:01:31,370
She’s inviting us to remember that we are part of the regeneration, that every small act of listening, every time we pause, breathe, touch a leaf, or simply notice, we are participating in the healing that brings us together again.

660
01:01:31,370 –> 01:01:49,980
This is where reconnection begins, not out there, but right here in the body, the breath, and in the willingness to listen again, to lay out on the clover, on the grass, on the ground, and kiss it, and feel kissed by key.

661
01:01:49,980 –> 01:01:57,040
So as you move back into your day, take a moment to ask yourself, “What part of Earth is trying to speak to me right now?

662
01:01:57,840 –> 01:01:59,056
And am I willing to listen?”

663
01:02:00,418 –> 01:02:05,232
Pause gently and let that question linger and just allow the answers to come.

664
01:02:06,040 –> 01:02:22,240
And if you feel called to explore this kind of listening more deeply, not just as a moment of inspiration, but as a living practice, I invite you to join us inside the Naturally Conscious community, where our Blooming Sprouts membership is designed exactly for these kinds of explorations.

665
01:02:22,240 –> 01:02:39,600
You’ll find workshops like the Extended Plant Consciousness workshop, and each month, we gather for plant-inspired masterclass discussions that help you integrate what you hear in conversations like this into your own life, to translate inspiration into relationship and reflection into action.

666
01:02:39,600 –> 01:02:46,100
Because reconnecting with plant wisdom isn’t just about what we know, it’s about how we live.

667
01:02:46,100 –> 01:02:55,440
So if you’ve been feeling that quiet pull towards something deeper, towards belonging and coherence and the gentle intelligence of the living world, come join us.

668
01:02:55,940 –> 01:03:01,296
Bring your curiosity, your questions, and your heart that already knows how to listen.

669
01:03:02,060 –> 01:03:07,260
You’ll find the link to Blooming Sprouts and the Naturally Conscious community, as always, in the show notes.

670
01:03:07,260 –> 01:03:13,080
And please, thank you for being a part of our growing ecosystem of reconnection.

671
01:03:13,080 –> 01:03:25,872
Until next time, remember, you are nature, you are listening, you are already blooming, and most importantly, remember to resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

672
01:03:28,380 –> 01:03:31,760
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom.

673
01:03:32,260 –> 01:03:42,608
To continue these conversations, join us in the Naturally Conscious community, your premier online ecosystem for plant reawakening and accelerated evolution and co-creation with otherkin.

674
01:03:43,240 –> 01:03:52,656
Here, you’ll find expansive discussions, interactive courses, live events, and supportive group programs like the Plant Wisdom Book Club and the Sprouts Writing and Creativity Group.

675
01:03:53,280 –> 01:03:58,540
Connect with like-minded individuals collaborating with plants to integrate these insights into life.

676
01:03:58,540 –> 01:04:03,660
Intro and outro music by Steve Sciulli and Poinsettia from The Singing Life of Plants.

677
01:04:03,660 –> 01:04:07,240
That’s it for me, Tigrilla Gardenia, and my plant collaborators.

678
01:04:07,240 –> 01:04:12,040
Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.

679
01:04:12,040 –> 01:04:12,740
I’m out.

680
01:04:12,740 –> 01:04:13,310
Bye.